Sola vs. Solo Scriptura

buzuxi02 · Oct 26, 2020

According to the article:

” Eck brought the real issue to the table: who had final authority, God’s Word or the pope? For Eck, Scripture received its authority from the pope. Luther strongly disagreed, arguing instead that Scripture has authority over popes, church fathers, and church councils, all of which have erred.

It's obvious both are wrong. And now that theres been 500 years since the above debate we can easily see both these men and both of their institutions have been wrong. I guess the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree.

buzuxi02 · Oct 26, 2020

Nova2216 said:
Why is not the Eastern Orthodox Church called the church of Christ? (Rom. 16:16)
(Acts 4:12)

You don't see the irony in what you posted?

Nova2216 · Oct 28, 2020

buzuxi02 said:
You don't see the irony in what you posted?

No, I do not.

I am trying to learn about the EOC.

Are you saying the EOC is not guided spiritually by the Bible?

Justin-H.S. · Oct 28, 2020

Nova2216 said:
Are you saying the EOC is not guided spiritually by the Bible?

The Church aka ISRAEL has been around before the Bible. Even before the Torah was written down, the Church aka ISRAEL has existed.

buzuxi02 · Oct 28, 2020

Nova2216 said:
No, I do not.

I am trying to learn about the EOC.

Are you saying the EOC is not guided spiritually by the Bible?

You said why is the Orthodox Church not called the Church of Christ and then you gave a scriptural verse where it's called the Church of Christ!!(Rom 16:16). These churches of Christ Paul talked about are still there ! They didn't go extinct (a few did but just recently under Mustafa Attaturk purge) , but most are still thriving. You can jump on an airplane and visit them Thessaloniki, Damascus, Corinth, Cyprus, even a few in Asia Minor , they are still there.

Nova2216 · Oct 29, 2020

Justin-H.S. said:
The Church aka ISRAEL has been around before the Bible. Even before the Torah was written down, the Church aka ISRAEL has existed.

Well then, the church of christ and the EOC must be different churches.

(Dan 2:44) (Isa. 2:1-5) and (Joel 2:28) point to (Acts 2) as "WHEN" the kingdom was to be established. This is when the church of Christ was established, In jerusalem, after the death burial and ress. of Christ, upon the first pentecost after the death of Jesus on the cross.

The fact that the EOC was established long before the NT was ever written proves the EOC and the coC are two different religious groups.

So which one is of God?

Justin-H.S. · Oct 29, 2020

Nova2216 said:
Well then, the church of christ and the EOC must be different churches.

(Dan 2:44) (Isa. 2:1-5) and (Joel 2:28) point to (Acts 2) as "WHEN" the kingdom was to be established. This is when the church of Christ was established, In jerusalem, after the death burial and ress. of Christ, upon the first pentecost after the death of Jesus on the cross.

The fact that the EOC was established long before the NT was ever written proves the EOC and the coC are two different religious groups.

So which one is of God?

Yes, EOC only became "EOC" after the Great Schism of 1054 to distinguish itself from the Latin schismatics when Rome split off and became "Roman Catholicism". Before the split Rome was included in the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

Are you familiar with the Great Schism of 1054?

Nova2216 · Oct 29, 2020

Justin-H.S. said:
Yes, EOC only became "EOC" after the Great Schism of 1054 when Rome split off and became "Roman Catholicism" to distinguish itself from the Latin schismatics. Before the split Rome was included in the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

Are you familiar with the Great Schism of 1054?

I am familiar with 1000s of divisions (or churches).

There is one faith, one body (one church), one lord. (Eph.4:5)

Are you now saying the EOC came out of the Roman Catholic Church which was established in 606AD?

Justin-H.S. · Oct 29, 2020

Nova2216 said:
I am familiar with 1000s of divisions (or churches).

There is one faith, one body (one church), one lord. (Eph.4:5)

Are you now saying the EOC came out of the Roman Catholic Church which was established in 606AD?

No. I posted a video with my previous reply so you can better educate yourself.

Lukaris · Oct 29, 2020

There was a point in history where the Latin rite of the Church tried to force positions on the Greek rite of the Church that would have undermined its faith. 1054 is the flashpoint where long term tensions became set in conflict and unresolvable.

The people within each group are no better or worse than the other. Overall, we kept the faith of the Lord & His Apostles. We cannot share communion with Rome as it defines its faith. Reunion in today’s world would probably undermine the Christian faith still implicitly shared by Orthodox & Catholic Christians.

ArmyMatt · Oct 29, 2020

Nova2216 said:
I am familiar with 1000s of divisions (or churches).

There is one faith, one body (one church), one lord. (Eph.4:5)

Are you now saying the EOC came out of the Roman Catholic Church which was established in 606AD?

no, the Church of Christ (the Eastern Orthodox Church) is the Israel of God in the Light and fullness of the Incarnate Word.

Nova2216 · Oct 29, 2020

ArmyMatt said:
no, the Church of Christ (the Eastern Orthodox Church) is the Israel of God in the Light and fullness of the Incarnate Word.

The prophecies of (Jer.31:31-34) (Dan. 2:44) (Isa.2:1-5) (Joel 2:28) point to (Acts 2).

(Acts 2) is when the coC was established (Mt. 16:18) (Rom. 16:16).

If the EOC was established before (Acts 2) the coC and the EOC are two different churches.

The EOC was established long before the coC. This means they cannot be the same.

I am a member of the church of Christ. (Rom. 16:16)

...the body of Christ (Eph. 4:12)

Justin-H.S. · Oct 29, 2020

Thought you were just here to learn about us. By your own words:

Nova2216 said:
I am trying to learn about the EOC.

Turns out you’re just here to debate with us. Not that I’m surprised by it.

Nova2216 said:
The prophecies of (Jer.31:31-34) (Dan. 2:44) (Isa.2:1-5) (Joel 2:28) point to (Acts 2).

(Acts 2) is when the coC was established (Mt. 16:18) (Rom. 16:16).

If the EOC was established before (Acts 2) the coC and the EOC are two different churches.

The EOC was established long before the coC. This means they cannot be the same.

I am a member of the church of Christ. (Rom. 16:16)

...the body of Christ (Eph. 4:12)

I wonder if those Ephesian and Roman churches had the entire New Testament canon in their possession to confirm that they were in the churches of Christ?

Lukaris · Oct 29, 2020

We trace our origins from the likes of Joseph of Arimsthea, Nicodemus etc. per the Gospel of John etc. who were originally of the Old Testament Church.

ArmyMatt · Oct 29, 2020

Nova2216 said:
The prophecies of (Jer.31:31-34) (Dan. 2:44) (Isa.2:1-5) (Joel 2:28) point to (Acts 2).

(Acts 2) is when the coC was established (Mt. 16:18) (Rom. 16:16).

If the EOC was established before (Acts 2) the coC and the EOC are two different churches.

The EOC was established long before the coC. This means they cannot be the same.

I am a member of the church of Christ. (Rom. 16:16)

...the body of Christ (Eph. 4:12)

you quoted me as saying they are not the same. if the Church is Israel in the fullness of Christ, then prior to the Incarnation the fullness wasn't there, hence not being the same. did you read what I wrote before you quoted it?

Justin-H.S. · Oct 29, 2020

Me, a modern Christian using a fully canonized Bible to determine ante-biblical Church history:

rusmeister · Oct 29, 2020

I think “strawmane” is an interesting verb. You really can make a mane out of straw. Maybe it means something like “fake lionizing”?

(I have to teach spelling conventions among other things for a living, and the concept of reverse engineering - double consonant means original verb infinitive was short vowel sound, single means long vowel sound with silent “e” removed in the process of creating the gerund (-ing form).)

Xenophon · Oct 30, 2020

Where were and wife were there were wolfs. n

Nova2216 · Oct 30, 2020

Justin-H.S. said:
Thought you were just here to learn about us. By your own words:

Turns out you’re just here to debate with us. Not that I’m surprised by it.

I wonder if those Ephesian and Roman churches had the entire New Testament canon in their possession to confirm that they were in the churches of Christ?

I am trying to honestly learn about truth (Jn 8:3132 ; 17:17).

Truth will always harmonize (Ps 119:160).

What you are teaching me about the EOC does not harmonize.

The apostles "CONFIRMED" the revelation of God by miracles (Heb. 2:3,4) (Mark 16:20) (2Cor.12:12).

Those MIRACLES made the revelation of God just as much truth as if it was written down (in epistles).
In fact the apostles did write it down (1Cor.14:37).

If you have the truth why do you get so defensive?

Judging my motive is wrong.

ArmyMatt · Oct 30, 2020

Nova2216 said:
What you are teaching me about the EOC does not harmonize.

what does not harmonize? and how do you know you are reading the Scripture correctly to see it's proper harmony?

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