Social media posts show blackface costume, racial slurs used at Halloween party

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Question is, is there a line between offensive and acceptable? For example these people were being offensive it would seem. But what if a white teen wants to dress up as Black Panther and puts on blackface to look more the part? Is that racist or not?
 
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Question is, is there a line between offensive and acceptable? For example these people were being offensive it would seem. But what if a white teen wants to dress up as Black Panther and puts on blackface to look more the part? Is that racist or not?
Still racist, skin color is not a costume.

It's quite easy to do a costume without changing the color of your skin, we do it all the time.
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You can dress up like someone, emulate their clothes, their hairstyle, their mannerisms, but you don't slap on makeup to change your skin color. There is a line, don't wear blackface.
 
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Apologists in 3... 2...

But, But, But...
Eddie Murphy dressed up as a White Jew...

And, And, And Dave Chappelle...


(I got tired of waiting…)
 
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Question is, is there a line between offensive and acceptable? For example these people were being offensive it would seem. But what if a white teen wants to dress up as Black Panther and puts on blackface to look more the part? Is that racist or not?

I don't believe anybody in this day and age is oblivious to the fact "blackface" offends people.

So its done for the sole reason to offend, pleading ignorance to that is disingenuous.

So if it bothers people, why do it?

Its silly some people defend it, people who put on "blackface" do it because it causes a lot of upset to black people, they know what it causes, they're not blind and deaf, so if they set out to deliberately offend black people, isn't that pretty much 100% racist?
 
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I don't believe anybody in this day and age is oblivious to the fact "blackface" offends people.

So its done for the sole reason to offend, pleading ignorance to that is disingenuous.

I would argue that there's a state in between pure ignorance and deliberate offense wherein a person merely disregards someone else's offense while not deliberately stoking it. IOW, I do <a thing> and when I do it, I don't want it to bother you; but I also don't think it should bother you; and if it does bother you, then you're the one over-reacting.
 
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I don't believe anybody in this day and age is oblivious to the fact "blackface" offends people.

So its done for the sole reason to offend, pleading ignorance to that is disingenuous.

So if it bothers people, why do it?

Its silly some people defend it, people who put on "blackface" do it because it causes a lot of upset to black people, they know what it causes, they're not blind and deaf, so if they set out to deliberately offend black people, isn't that pretty much 100% racist?

Well in some countries they don't even know black face is offensive. In South Korea you see them do black face alot.

So what about my Black Panther reference? Is the kid being racist or just pretending hes Black Panther?
 
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Well in some countries they don't even know black face is offensive. In South Korea you see them do black face alot.

So what about my Black Panther reference? Is the kid being racist or just pretending hes Black Panther?
I would give a child the pure ignorance card, but the reason that he thinks blackening your skin to be a black person has a racist foundation. That's why it's up to parents to explain why kids should not do blackface (it's likely they observed something at home or in media that made them believe it's a good idea). I remember one kid in the 6th grade did blackface for his Black History Month project, he was George Washington Carver. Yes, his intention was not to offend or denigrate, but blackface is still racist. I think people need to stop equating racist with bad person. We all do things that are wrong, but that doesn't mean we're necessarily bad.

You dress up like Black Panther (for some reason, I thought you meant the Black Panthers from the Civil Rights Movement, but the point remains the same) by wearing a particular suit, having props to imitate Wakanda's technology, and repeat phrases or slogans from the film. None of that should ever require you to paint your skin to "play the part," much like no black kid should be painting his skin white to play Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, Iron Man, etc.

I believe this video pretty much sums up the whole topic:
 
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I would give a child the pure ignorance card, but the reason that he thinks blackening your skin to be a black person has a racist foundation. That's why it's up to parents to explain why kids should not do blackface (it's likely they observed something at home or in media that made them believe it's a good idea). I remember one kid in the 6th grade did blackface for his Black History Month project, he was George Washington Carver. Yes, his intention was not to offend or denigrate, but blackface is still racist. I think people need to stop equating racist with bad person. We all do things that are wrong, but that doesn't mean we're necessarily bad.

You dress up like Black Panther (for some reason, I thought you meant the Black Panthers from the Civil Rights Movement, but the point remains the same) by wearing a particular suit, having props to imitate Wakanda's technology, and repeat phrases or slogans from the film. None of that should ever require you to paint your skin to "play the part," much like no black kid should be painting his skin white to play Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, Iron Man, etc.

I believe this video pretty much sums up the whole topic:

If a kid thinks that blackening your skin to portray a black person makes sense, it's probably because he's trying to imitate what he sees, not that it has a racist foundation.

It's not any more racist for a kid to put dark coloring to portray the Black Panther (from the movie) than it is to put green coloring on to portray the Jolly Green Giant.

When you look for racism in everything, you will find racism in everything.
 
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If a kid thinks that blackening your skin to portray a black person makes sense, it's probably because he's trying to imitate what he sees, not that it has a racist foundation.

It's not any more racist for a kid to put dark coloring to portray the Black Panther (from the movie) than it is to put green coloring on to portray the Jolly Green Giant.

When you look for racism in everything, you will find racism in everything.
And that would make sense if black kids were whitening their skin to portray a character. They are not, we only find this happening with portrayals of black people as their skin color is considered a costume by some. Comparisons to the Jolly Green Giant are not apt because that is a fictional being as opposed to someone portraying a human character.

Blackface is racist. @USincognito, it looks like you called it.
 
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And that would make sense if black kids were whitening their skin to portray a character. They are not, we only find this happening with portrayals of black people as their skin color is considered a costume by some. Comparisons to the Jolly Green Giant are not apt because that is a fictional being as opposed to someone portraying a human character.

Blackface is racist. @USincognito, it looks like you called it.
I'm sure there are more who think it than actually say it.

Last night's episode of Blackish was about clueless racist imagery, but even some who know the history still think it's o.k.
 
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And that would make sense if black kids were whitening their skin to portray a character. They are not, we only find this happening with portrayals of black people as their skin color is considered a costume by some. Comparisons to the Jolly Green Giant are not apt because that is a fictional being as opposed to someone portraying a human character.
The Black Panther is a fictional character, too. The comparison is appropriate.

Blackface is racist. @USincognito, it looks like you called it.

He didn't call anything. I'm not apologizing for the behavior in the OP, i'm calling out nonsense about the motivations of kids.
 
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