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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Just The Facts, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. Just The Facts

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    Hi Pinacled

    Wow really.....that is very special......You are right about one thing ...the readers should be vigilant.....They should look for the one who claims this

    [4] And Jesus answered them, "Take heed that no one leads you astray. [5] For many will come in my name, saying, `I am the Christ,' and they will lead many astray.

    They should be aware of This Beast telling them to carry out this

    [15] and it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast so that the image of the beast should even speak, and to cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.

    They should be vigilant not to be the ones doing the Killing. For I can assure you it is not the Beast that does the Killing.... God is very clear

    [9] When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne [10] they cried out with a loud voice, "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?"

    [13] Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, "Who are these, clothed in white robes, and whence have they come?" and serve him day and night within his temple;[15] Therefore are they before the throne of God,[14] I said to him, "Sir, you know." And he said to me, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. [15] Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night within his temple;

    Yes you're right readers should beware...They should be this man.

    [13] But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, `God, be merciful to me a sinner!'

    not this man................ a perfect picture of Modern Christianity many believing they are so special they will be whisked away before it all falls....many more believing they are God's Kingdom on Earth.

    God, I thank thee that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. [12] I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all that I get.'

    [22] On that day many will say to me, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' [23] And then will I declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.'

    [22] Behold, I will throw her on a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her doings; [23] and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches shall know that I am he

    Yes reader beware be very very aware
     
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  2. pinacled

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    Yeah, that generation never so much as put the plow to the field. Never once did they actually sow the work and sow. Instead they claimed the land and collected taxes from the poor.
    Then the ones who lied and said they never did gnawed gnashed about?

    Still doesn't change the Truth of the matter.
    Murder is the unforgivable sin
     
  3. Just The Facts

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    Hi Marilyn

    While I do not agree with you it is nice to see so many express how they see it. You never know when you will pick up a kernel of wisdom.
     
  4. pinacled

    pinacled walking with the Shekinah

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    Pleasure to make your aqaintance.
    My name Jason.
     
  5. Marilyn C

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    Hi Just The facts,

    Thank you. What part do you not agree with?

    Marilyn.
     
  6. Just The Facts

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    Hello Marilyn

    I do not see the leaders of the world banks as being those who are represented by the seven heads/kingdoms in Rv17: I am a historical Millennialist so I see these as Kingdoms of revised/healed Rome throughout the last 1500 years. With just one more version to come Ie the seventh Kingdom/head to come out of the Healed Roman Empire which will be made up of 10 Kings who will all willingly turn their kingdoms over to the Beast to form the final Kingdom ie the seventh head of Rv 17 the final horn of Daniel 7 and R v13.
     
  7. Daniel Martinovich

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    Clue,
    It’s a saying that describes certain people, not a specific person. This is a prophecy about their future. Judas is the past.
     
  8. Douggg

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    But he is not claiming to be the only god. That's my point.
     
  9. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    In Daniel 7:17, Alexander is one of the four kings that the beasts represent. The four heads on the leopard are not four kingdoms, but four kings.

    The four horns in Daniel 8:9 replace the great horn, the one that was broke off, which is said to be a king, are four kings. The kingdom itself of the great horn is the he-goat, the greek empire.

    The four kings that come up but not with the same power that Alexander, are the four break up kings are over the four sub kingdoms they divided into. The he-goat is the still the greek empire. But with lesser power than when Alexander ruled.
     
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  10. Douggg

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    The text in Revelation 17:10 says kings. I would suggest just sticking to that.

    The inconsistency begins when you start rationalizing the ten kings to be ten kingdoms. And the 7 kings to be 7 kingdoms.
     
  11. Just The Facts

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    Hi Dougg

    Why are denying what GOD says they are

    [22] As for the horn that was broken, in place of which four others (ie four horns) arose, four kingdoms shall arise from his nation, but not with his power.

    There I made it really big for you the four Horns that replace the Single Horn ARE FOUR KINGDOMS.

    As for Rev 17 and the ten Kings what are they Burger King Kings.....are they the King of Soul....... They are Kings of a Kingdom...but the wording here makes it very clear they are not yet kings but are given Kinghood so that they can turn power over to the beast, They are clearly Political Leaders that are made Kings by the beast and then turn over their power to him
     
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  12. Messenger 3k

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    What are other "gods" if not demons? In the end, there is only one God.

    Every other so called god exists created by the one and only true God...be it sons of God as angels or as humans.

    The corrupt religious system is the devil's deception to make people believe they're serving some unique "god" somewhere whereas they're all just indirectly serving the devil.

    When the antichrist shows up, he'll take off that cloak of deception and let them know the real deal has arrived, the devil, so they can now serve him directly.
     
  13. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    You are reading the text, but not getting what it is saying, because you are not going back to the earlier verses.

    In the earlier verses, in the text, the great horn was a king - of the Greek empire. In his place, four horns, kings, were on the he-goat the kingdom.

    Which those four kings (the horns) would be over four lesser kingdoms (in verse 22), subdivided parts of the greek empire - but still of the greek empire - but with lesser power as when Alexander was king.

    Why the kingdoms are in verse 22, is in verse 8:9, the little horn person ("horn" also not a kingdom, but a king) coming out of one of them, one of them cannot be out of a king right? Because it is referring to a direction on the compass that he heads from to the middle east and Israel.

    The reason you are going to all this effort is to justify your making the seven heads into kingdoms. But the text say kings. Just stick will what the text says, and you won't run into a bunch of conflicts with other text, which you are having to fragment the ten kings in Revelation 17 and Revelation 13 (if I recall correctly) as not the same.



    JustTheFacts, you are fragmenting and going the wrong direction by making the ten kings into kingdoms, and the seven kings into kingdoms.

    I think you need to work on the path of the arch villain of the end times destruction. Putting everything together.

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  14. Just The Facts

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    Hi Dougg

    No I get that. My point to begin with was simple Beasts, Heads and Horns all Mean Both Kingdom and King It doesn't exclusively mean a King.

    I am sticking to what the text says. I put it in Giant letters so you could see what it says.............. it says the four Horns are Four Kingdoms. The Same four Kingdoms represented by the Four Heads on the Leopard. With The leopard the Beast is Greece the Four Heads are the Four Horns/KINGDOMS. Really Doug it is like the pot calling the kettle black. It is not me who is not sticking to what the text says. Even common sense says it all You can't be a King without a Kingdom can you. And in all of these prophecies the time span is way beyond one Kings life.

    So as I have said multiple times now a Beast , Heads and Horns Represent Kingdoms and the King of Fulfillment of a specific event.

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  15. Marilyn C

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    Hi Just The Facts,

    Sorry if it came over that way. I meant the Political leaders (G 20). The Global Government incorporates - Political, Economic and Religious. The A/C will be the Political leader while the False Prophet will hold the two offices of - Economics and Religion.

    As to the RRE (Revived Roman Empire) God does NOT revive or heal any governments that He has judged. And judged they were, that is why they are historic.

    Marilyn.
     
  16. Just The Facts

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    Hi Marilyn

    I guess I have but one point to make. The Church did not conquer Rome ....Rome Conquered the Church.

    Scripture is very very clear the fourth beast arises and controls the world until Jesus returns.
     
  17. Ronald

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    The Heads are kingdoms. The Dragon is Satan empowering these kingdoms throughout history:

    The seven kingdoms that ruled the biblical world:

    1. Egypt – 3100 to ? (Genesis 12:10)
    2. Assyria – 2500 BC to 605 BC (Genesis 2:14)
    3. Babylon – 612 – 539 BC (Daniel 1:1)
    4. Medo-Persia – 539 – 331 BC (Daniel 5:28)
    5. Greecia – 331 – 168 BC (Daniel 10:20)
    6. Rome – 168-476 AD / 1453 AD – inc Byzantine period (Daniel 9:26 & Romans 1-7)
    7. Ottoman – 1453 – 1924 AD (Future empire when Revelation was written, but historical empire today).
    The seventh came to an end, received a deadly blow and today is being revived as #8.
    Islam is anti-Christ and anti-Semitic. They will gather 10 nations (horns) and will unite and war against Israel. Jerusalem is the stumbling block, the conundrum, where peace has been challenged throughout this last generation. Israel became a nation in 1948 but war went on until March 10, 1949 and then Jerusalem recaptured in 1967. So 70 years is about complete (one generation according to Psalm 90:10). Anyways, Iran wants Israel annihilated, along with many other Muslims throughout the world (1.6 billion). There recent attempt to recreate a Caliphate has been temporarily squashed but terrorists have spread throughout the world. ISIS is only one, but there are 80 Islamic terrorist groups. Make no mistake, the Beast will come to life - most likely Iran, Syria, Turkey (countries from the north), will initiate the war, especially since Iran is the #1 funder of terrorism in the world; then Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and others will join in. It will not take much for the support of all Muslims throughout the world when war begins. One could even say that three horns have been plucked: Sadaam, Mubarek, Quadafi.
    We interpret the symbols below as a Greek number, but what John actually saw was an Arabic Phrase, which looks the same!
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    The signature of Islam is their chopping off of heads.
    Also the mark of the Beast is this symbol above "In the Name Of Allah" worn on their sleeves or foreheads.
    "... And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God." Rev. 20:4

    Not to burse anyone's bubble about a "Revised Roman Empire" view but the EU is not it. It's not strong nor united, especially not against Israel. It might be in 30 years after Islamic numbers have taken over. No, God will intervene way before that happens!
     
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  18. Douggg

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    JTF, it is saying three things in that verse... but you are reading into it two things.

    You are reading it as:
    The four horns are four kingdoms.
    The kingdoms are not strong as Alexanders kingdom

    I am reading it as:
    The horns are kings, Alexander, and Lysimachus, Cassander, Ptolemy, Seleucus
    Out of the nation (the Greek empire) are four kingdoms
    The four kingdoms and the four kings are not as strong as the Greek empire under Alexander.

    In blue, the horns are kings. The four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation. What is the nation?

    21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

    22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it [the first king],
    four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation [what is the nation, but the Greek empire?], but not in his power [of the first king].
     
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  19. Just The Facts

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    Doug

    I never once said they are as strong as Alexanders Kingdom. I am saying what Scripture says the Four horns are Four Kingdoms. Period ...end of story

    Beast are Kingdoms heads are Kingdoms horns are Kingdoms ...Period
     
  20. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    I did not say you did. I said "not" as strong as Alexander's kingdom.

    What are you thinking "but not in his power" means?
     
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