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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Just The Facts, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. Just The Facts

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    Hi messenger

    Well Technically but when I think of a Pagan I think of someone who knows he is not worshipping the The God of Abraham Issac and Jacob. Where as people in the Whore think they are worshiping God/Jesus. They truly believe they are Good Christians doing God's Work
     
  2. Douggg

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    I agree and have said the same.
    The four heads - the four generals succeeding Alexander.
    Alexander for the horn broken. The replacement horns the four generals over the four breakup kingdoms in the explanation in verse 22.

    Verse 23 moves from what is now history, to the end times and the kingdom of the little horn and accompanying transgressors. That kingdom is the EU.

    Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their [the transgressors, the ten kings] kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full [the ten kings in place], a king [the little horn] of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up [prepares to go to war] .
    In Daniel 7, it doesn't say the ten kings fight with the little horn. It says he removes three of them.
    So apparently three don't go along with his agenda.
    The Holy Roman empire began when Charlesmagne of the Franks was anointed emperor by Pope Leo III. Napoleon end the Holy Roman Empire era.

    The ten kings are end times. The three kings removed are end times. Not historical.

    What does the Holy Roman empire have to do with the other part of your scenario - that the AC "shows up out of the pit" the ten kingdoms believing he is Jesus returned?

    What do you mean by shows up out of the pit? When Jesus returns there is widespread knowledge that Jesus will not be returning as a baby.

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  3. pinacled

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    Yeshua spoke of the murderer quayin(Cain) and such a seed of his being destroyed.
    "Do not love as Cain loved", is also instructed by the tzadik(disciple as a warning to be heeded.

    Think on the 7 shabbos of pesach.
    The hardness of heart of Mizriam(Egypt's king is no strange thing to the poor and oppressed. Such a man who thought himself to be a god served a murderer just as quayin(Cain had. And was repayed ten fold for the oppression he visited upon the children of yisrayl. the ten generations from havel(Abel) to noach(noah)[nun, alef, tav] that are reserved are for the pure in heart.


    Such separations of waters from bitter to sweet should be heard from the bells of the High priest to those who have ears.

    Blessings Always
     
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  4. tranquil

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    Answer this

    Are all the beasts (lion, bear, leopard, & 4th beast aka the 'dragon' with 10 horns) Rome? Surely you are not saying this.

    One lion head+One bear head + 4 leopard heads + 1 dragon head ( Daniel 8 little horn ) + 10 dormant horns = 7 heads, 10 horns.

    At the 7th trumpet, 1 lion head+ 1 bear head + 4 leopard heads + 1 dragon head (now the Daniel 7 little horn) with 10 kings= rev 13’s beast from the sea.​

    Daniel 8
    19He said, “Behold, I will make known to you what shall be at the latter end of the indignation, for it refers to the appointed time of the end. 20As for the ram that you saw with the two horns, these are the kings of Media and Persia. 21And the goat is the king of Greece. And the great horn between his eyes is the first king.

    22As for the horn that was broken, in place of which four others arose, four kingdoms shall arise from his nation, but not with his power.

    23And at the latter end of their kingdom, when the transgressors have reached their limit, a king of bold face, one who understands riddles, shall arise. 24His power shall be great—but not by his own power; and he shall cause fearful destruction and shall succeed in what he does, and destroy mighty men and the people who are the saints. 25By his cunning he shall make deceit prosper under his hand, and in his own mind he shall become great. Without warning he shall destroy many. And he shall even rise up against the Prince of princes, and he shall be broken—but by no human hand. 26The vision of the evenings and the mornings that has been told is true, but seal up the vision, for it refers to many days from now.”​

    The ram is the 'bear' of Daniel 7 & the 4 horns are the 4 headed leopard of Daniel 7

    At the 'latter end' of the 4 headed leopard kingdom, the 4th kingdom arrives (aka the dragon with 10 horns)
    23And at the latter end of their kingdom, when the transgressors have reached their limit, a king of bold face, one who understands riddles, shall arise.​
    this is the Daniel 8 little horn.

    the 4th kingdom (the dragon of Rev 12 & 13) arrives before the 11th horn/ the little horn of Daniel 7.

    Daniel 7:24
    As for the ten horns,
    out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise,
    and another shall arise after them;
    he shall be different from the former ones,
    and shall put down three kings.

    the dragon/ the 4th beast kingdom/ the Daniel 8 little horn is the 7th head. The little horn of Daniel 7 is the 8th head. You keep saying that the 'reincarnated'/ resurrected 7th head is the 8th head, which makes no sense unless the mortally head wounded individual gets a head transplant (which hey I hear they are working on this).
     
  5. pinacled

    pinacled walking with the Shekinah

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    Interesting numerical composition.

    The elect who give praise to the honorable bond of peace freely offered by the Holy One of yhdh will not be decieved. They overcome the evil one that is of the synagogue of Satan.

    What is written of the 4th day and 4th yr has come to pass.

    The overcomers of every sequential generation set apart since Caleb and Yoshua. I.e. the men of courage who spoke boldly before the throne and laid their crowns at the feet of Holy One are remembered by the Lord of Host.

    Such wonderful instruction hidden in the mishkans foundational roots of silver is a blessing to the upright gold of truth.

    Though the three unclean spirits move as frogs. Without water they have no hope of surviving.
    Sily swamp dwelling amphibians are destined to be yummy fried frog legs.

    But what do I know
     
  6. Messenger 3k

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    We're saying the same thing. By proclaiming he's God, he is exalting himself above God.
     
  7. Messenger 3k

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    I'm not Jewish as much as I know, but let's assume I understand the rest of what you said.

    What do you mean by this?
     
  8. Messenger 3k

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    Not really. The people under the influence of the whore aren't Christians. Now I'm not out to criticize any Christian denomination. God sees the heart of everyone, so He knows those who are His. But the people under the whore know the gods they are worshipping. It's not a mistake.
     
  9. Douggg

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    The Roman empire aspect is part of all four beasts. Of course there is more to it than that.

    tranquil, on a similar thought process, I am thinking about doing a photoshop image for each of the beasts (Daniel 7, Revelation 12, 13, 17) to for a side by side visual of the four beasts. Which is essential speaking about one beast at different times.

    1. the beast image for the fourth beast in Daniel 7 - which I think could have some dragon aspects to it. I think the ten horns and little horn should be on the one big head (the 8th king in Revelation) with the iron teeth.

    2. the beast image for the scarlet colored beast in Revelation 17 - which I visualize as having one centered head, with three other heads flanking each side. The ten horns would be on the centered head. I think it also would have to have some dragon aspect to it.

    3. the beast image for the dragon beast in Relation 12, which I visualize as having one centered head, a little bigger than the others. With three other heads flanking each side. All of the heads having crowns. The ten horns would be on the centered head, but no crowns.

    4. the beast image for Revelation 13, I would not make this one look like a dragon. One big head centered looking like a lion with iron teeth - with a crown (little horn becoming king 8). Flanked on both sides by three smaller heads - no crowns. On the big head, ten horns with crowns. Bear feet with brass claws, and leopard body.
     
  10. Marilyn C

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    Hi Just The facts,

    The 4th beast, as many have said, only had one head. Now heads denote leadership. Thus when we read of the Global Government in Rev. 13, we see that it has 7 heads, leaders. They do not all rule at the same time, but one after the other as Rev. 17: 10 reveals.

    I believe this has already started to happen. The leader of the G 20 and over the IMF central bank. This changes annually, so not long till the final leader.

    Marilyn.
     
  11. pinacled

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    What have you heard about the poor whom Yeshua spoke of?

    Lean on the Lord in the spirit of knowledge(milk) and understanding(honey)

    Judge righteously with a laying of hands and offer a holy kiss.

    Listen with the salt of discernment upon the alter. Do this and you will see that a generation set apart on the 4th day walked into the promised land on the 5th day.

    It is the same for every generation since the beginning. What the Mizraim(Egyptian/godless) oppressor of the poor that knew not yosef did was unforgivable.
    And his entire house paid the consequence ten fold. As Sin is being measured in the hardness of heart the Judge of the quick was sure to remind us all what happens to those who put darkness for light.

    While the beast with three ribs in its mouth ignores three woes. Nothing will save it as it devours its own mother in confussion.

    "Let the dead bury the dead"
     
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  12. Douggg

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    You missed on this one.

    Gabriel, in Daniel 8:23, is talking about the (kingdom of) the transgressors for the vision of desolating the temple, which is time of the end.

    The leopard Greek kingdom in Daniel 7, with the four heads is history to us. Those kings are long gone.
    No connection to the end times. Except for identifying the territory in Daniel 8:9, that the little horn will come from with his strong army into the middle east. I think RT uses this passage in his view that the little horn will be from Greece. I think it is more of where the person stages his army right before Gog/Magog.

    Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
     
  13. pinacled

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    That terrain has long since been ground to dust and will never again receive water or good seed.
    Nothing more than a distant reminder of what happens to those who challenge the Most High.
     
  14. pinacled

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    Perhaps a parable would help.
     
  15. pinacled

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    For the readers out there.
    Look for the straight path and remember how ole mosheh looked and found no "man" in Sodom nor Gomorrah which is likened to?

    Those that build their house on the sand of the oppressor who fell at the hand of mosheh will receive reward likewise.

    The sun of righteousness will offer no shade to them who have been blinded by visiting angels.

    If only one righteous of ten would be found in an house.

    Then perhaps sheep would hear.
    Ears first.
     
  16. Daniel Martinovich

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    2 Thessalonians 2:3..... and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    The word perdition simply means destruction. As far as a direct word about a specific person. This would be speaking of Titus the son of the emperor who destroyed Judea.

    Revelation 17: 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he comes, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes into perdition. 12 And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

    Not counting claimants to the throne who happened to be in Rome when they claimed the throne. Only counting those who actually won it. The kings here are the first 8 emperors of the Roman Empire. John received his vision of Revelation during the reign of the sixth emperor. Titus is the eighth emperor. Of the seven because he is the seventh emperors son. He represents all four empires illustrated as the beast because he destroys Jerusalem the same way the first emperor of the first empire illustrated as the beast, Nebuchadnezzar did. The next ten emperors start with Domitian.
     
  17. Just The Facts

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    Hi Dougg

    You are dodging the four Heads in Daniel 7 and the Four Horns in Daniel 8 we are directly told they are Kingdoms.

    [22] As for the horn that was broken, in place of which four others arose, four kingdoms shall arise from his nation, but not with his power.

    Yes they do not go along with his agenda but that is not what we are told about teh 10 Kings in Revelation 17 we are told....

    [12] And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. [13] These are of one mind and give over their power and authority to the beast;

    He doesn't have to remove three they are all in agreement.

    As I stated Beast Heads and Horns all represent Kingdoms and the King of fulfillment.

    So the ten horns in Rev 13 are 10 Kingdoms different from the ten Kingdoms of Rev 17:

    In Rev 17 we are carried away to the time of the end the time of the punishment of the Whore.

    The Beast of Rev 13 is Raised from the sea to pursue Christianity to persecute it and thus transform it into the whore.

    While many Like to say the HRE started with Charlemagne the Reality is it started in 554AD when Justinian Gave control of the Western Empire to The Bishop of Rome.
     
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  18. Just The Facts

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    Hi messenger

    The People who follow the Beast are 100% Modern Christians. They believe they are following Jesus returned. The evidence they are Christian is everywhere. Now since you seem to be slicing words let me be clear........ they believe themselves to be good God Fearing Christians and everyone they persecute and all the saints they kill are demon possessed sinners.

    the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God.
    [3] And they will do this because they have not known the Father, nor me.

    Now I am aware that in this verse Jesus is referring to the Apostles and early saints. Having said that we must remember that More are to be killed as these were killed ie the early and the latter rain. The saints of the Great Tribulation will die at the hands of their fellow Christians.
     
  19. pinacled

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    Heheh.
    No.
    That's what a murderer says.

    Listen an be vigilant readers. Only a murderer ask for death.
    And while the murderer seeks death. He(Elihu) will not find rest.
     
  20. pinacled

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    Judas is the son of perdition.
    I of 12
     
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