So why Seven Heads

[OldWiseGuy]

Daniel 7 is Pagan Rome………………… Rv 13 starts off as Pagan Rome has a deadly wound (when Rome is Sacked and run by Barbarians for over 70 years. Then comes back as The Holy Roman Empire ie the Beast in Rev 17.

Then went about killing or persecuting any and all 'heretics'.

 

[joshua 1 9]

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Why Does Daniels Fourth Beast have seven heads?

Why Does The Beast in Rv 13 have seven Heads?

We need to always go back to the beginning. In this case there are 7 days in a week and we rest on the 7th day. So 7 represents the end of man's work. On the 8th day is the resurrection and regeneration. A new beginning as there will be a new heaven and a new earth.

 

[Tone]

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Why Does Daniels Fourth Beast have seven heads? Why Does The Beast in Rv 13 have seven Heads?

"In the Old Testament the world was created in six days and God rested on the seventh, creating the basis of the seven-day-week we use to this day. In the New Testament the number seven symbolizes the unity of the four corners of the Earth with the Holy Trinity."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...easons-we-are-captivated-the-number-seven?amp

The number 7 is said to represent completeness so maybe 7 heads is representative of total jurisdiction?

 

[Messenger 3k]

The 7 mountains are the 7 hills of Rome, and the harlot in present terms, which the ten kings will destroy by fire is the Vatican in Rome.

The beast in the bottomless pit is likely Nimrod. And the woman in Nimrod's day is likely Semiramis. Which all of the false religions were spun off the tower of babel days. Elements thereof making it's way into some of the beliefs of the RCC.

Where on earth are you getting these interpretations from?

How is the harlot the Vatican in Rome? Why is the Vatican a harlot?

 

[Messenger 3k]

It is not Antiochus. And the spirit of antichrist in 1John is not tied to Antiochus because Antiochus was not even aware of the Father and Son - which the spirit of antichrist denies.

An antichrist is someone who's generally against God. In the context of our era, that would mean being against Christ. You are being too technical.

 

[Douggg]

Where on earth are you getting these interpretations from?

How is the harlot the Vatican in Rome? Why is the Vatican a harlot?

Because the RCC in its early days to appease them in Rome who were pagans, to make Christianity acceptable to them, adopted the mother/son concept handed down from Semiramis and Tammuz story into their Mariology doctrines. The Semiramis and Tammuz story go way back. Here is mention of it in Ezekiel 8:14.

Ezekiel 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which [was] toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.

The Vatican is a harlot because it mixed Christianity with pagan religion and has not departed from it to this day.

 

[Douggg]

An antichrist is someone who's generally against God. In the context of our era, that would mean being against Christ. You are being too technical.

Jesus was rejected by the Jews as the King of Israel. Which is the reason he was crucified.

John 12:
12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

Anti - Christ the King of Israel. Instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel.

To become the Antichrist the person has to be anointed the King of Israel.

Go to my recent posts 33 and 34 in this thread...

Isaiah 14:20 Who is the person?

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Dougg

No you are wrong Beasts, Heads and Horns represent kingdoms and by default the King of fulfillment of a specific event.

Please allow me to show you.

[17] `These four great beasts are four kings who shall arise out of the earth.

So here the Beasts are kings. Then

[23]"Thus he said: `As for the fourth beast, there shall be a fourth kingdom on earth,which shall be different from all the kingdoms,

Now the Fourth Beast is a Kingdom.

Now Heads

[6] After this I looked, and lo, another, like a leopard, with four wings of a bird on its back; and the beast had four heads; and dominion was given to it.

We all know the four heads are the four Kingdoms that come From Alexanders Empire

Now Horns

[8] Then the he-goat magnified himself exceedingly; but when he was strong, the great horn was broken, and instead of it there came up four conspicuous horns toward the four winds of heaven.

[22] As for the horn that was broken, in place of which four others arose, four kingdoms shall arise from his nation, but not with his power.

So as you can see beasts Heads and Horns represent a Kingdom and The King of fulfillment. IE if God says the beast did this or that ..........that is a specific event which is carried out by the King at that time IE the King of fulfillment.

The Next glaring problem is see in what you have stated is this.

The Ten Horns in Daniel 7 fight with The little Horn he has to overthrow them. In Rv17 the 10 kings are of one mind and willingly submit the Azazel ie the destroyer as you call him. They are not the same.

The 10 horns represent 10 kingdoms that come out of the Fourth Beast IE Rome. three are done away with leaving seven. These remaining Seven Kingdoms/kings are the seven heads Beats of Rv 17: The 10 horns in Rv17 are the final formation of the Holy Roman Empire. They Form the Final Version of Rome The AC shows up out of the pit and they willingly turn over their Kingdoms to him because they Believe he is Jesus returned.

The Beast will be an eighth King of this Holy Roman Empire

 

[Messenger 3k]

Because the RCC in its early days to appease them in Rome who were pagans, to make Christianity acceptable to them, adopted the mother/son concept handed down from Semiramis and Tammuz story into their Mariology doctrines. The Semiramis and Tammuz story go way back. Here is mention of it in Ezekiel 8:14.

Ezekiel 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which [was] toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.

The Vatican is a harlot because it mixed Christianity with pagan religion and has not departed from it to this day.

No. The harlot of Babylon represents the world's religious system. It is referred to as a prostitute because so many religions are really just slightly altered versions of other religions. They all involved borrowed concepts from other religions; Greece borrows from Babylon, Rome borrows from Greece while all still serving false gods. These were the religious systems with which said empires and their kings oppressed Israel. Hence the reason the woman is described in Revelation 17:3 as "sitting" on the beast (the empires and kings);

"There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns."

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Messenger

No It is called a harlot because it is supposed to be faithful to God but it runs after false Gods and doctrines IE it harlots itself.

You are not going to make me post the literally dozens of verse in the OT where God says the Israelites and the Jews where harlots For following Baal are you .

 

[Messenger 3k]

Hi Messenger

No It is called a harlot because it is supposed to be faithful to God but it runs after false Gods and doctrines IE it harlots itself.

You are not going to make me post the literally dozens of verse in the OT where God says the Israelites and the Jews where harlots For following Baal are you .

Think about what you're saying. Does the harlot really sound like a person to you? Does it mean the Israelites/Jews were literally sitting on a beast? Did they literally commit sexual immorality with the kings of these empires?

The prostitute is symbolic for a corrupt religious system.
Read through Amplified version it literally spells out the meaning of the prostitute.

Revelations 17:1 also says she is seated on many waters. Many waters represent many people...many nations...whom she influences.

The antichrist and the ten kings will kill the prostitute because the antichrist will attack the world religious system. Isn't it logical if he's proclaiming himself as God?

 

[Just The Facts]

Hello

Well obviously it is a religious system......But it is not a "Pagan" system it is God's System taken to the dark side by foolish people who think they are doing God's will

 

[Messenger 3k]

Hello

......But it is not a "Pagan" system it is God's System taken to the dark side by foolish people who think they are doing God's will

Well, technically, that is what makes it pagan. If it doesn't involve the one true God...God in His Truth...then it's pagan to me.

 

[Douggg]

No. The harlot of Babylon represents the world's religious system. It is referred to as a prostitute because so many religions are really just slightly altered versions of other religions. They all involved borrowed concepts from other religions; Greece borrows from Babylon, Rome borrows from Greece while all still serving false gods. These were the religious systems with which said empires and their kings oppressed Israel. Hence the reason the woman is described in Revelation 17:3 as "sitting" on the beast (the empires and kings);

What is the source of all the false religions? It certainly wasn't Egypt, the first of your kingdoms.

It goes back to the tower of Babel following the flood.

 

[gordonhooker]

They were on special at Costco

 

[Douggg]

The antichrist and the ten kings will kill the prostitute because the antichrist will attack the world religious system. Isn't it logical if he's proclaiming himself as God?

The person claims to be greater than any god. And in Daniel 11 he gives honor to the fortress god.

Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

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The God he is totally against is the One True God of the bible and Jesus. Which when the ten kings buy into the person's claim to being God....

- 2Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

... the ten kings and the beast are not going to allow a world wide organization - the RCC be saying that Jesus is God - opposing the agenda of the beast, which the Vatican will have to go.

Satan's lie through the serpent in the garden was that man can be like God. With the beast, it is going to be the same lie repeated, for them who take the mark of his name, his name, or the number of his name.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

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Why Does Daniels Fourth Beast have seven heads?

Why Does The Beast in Rv 13 have seven Heads?

Ancient Roman Empires

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Dougg

That description is of an evolving Empire IE Rome. First the Honour the Traditional Gods. Then The Emperors demand that they be worshiped as Gods. Then they change to worship a God their forefathers did not know and with the help of this foreign God This one particular King/Caesar attacks the mightiest of Fortresses..most likely referring to Rome.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The question is, is the "Roman Empire" with us today?

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Old Wise Guy

Take a look around. We are Revised Rome.