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So, What's behind the Most Holy Name of God?

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THE MOST HOLY NAME OF GOD;


There are at least 35 Bible references that speak about the "Name of God." One is Romans 10:13; "Everyone who calls upon the Name of the LORD shall be saved." The Apostol Paul is referring back to the book of Joel, Chapter 2:32;

"And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the Lord has said, even among the survivors whom the Lord calls."

So, what is it to call upon the "Name of the LORD?" I would like to refer back to Exodus 3:13; when Moses was attending to Jethro's sheep on the back side of Mt. Horeb. God appeared to him in a burning bush. He came to commission him to return to Egypt and "take out" His people from Egypt and bring them back to that same mountain. Of course, Moses asked his name. Remember in Egypt, there were hundreds of gods, and each one had a name. It was only normal to ask the name of "God who was speaking to him" The answer Moses got was not the answer he expected;

"Ehye Asher Ehye" was the answer that God gave him. Translated in English it reads: I AM that I AM, or in some translations, it could read; "I WILL BE who I WILL BE". The God of the universe is outside of time and space and is "beyond naming", yet He DOES give a name. It would be like you asking me for my name. "Hey, what's your name?" and I reply; "Who me? Well, I'm the same person I was yesterday, I'm the same person today and now, and I'll be the same tomorrow." That wouldn't answer your question. You were expecting "Bob" or "Mike" or "Jimmie" So what did God tell Moshe (Moses)?

"Ehye Asher Ehye" can come from the Hebrew word "Haya" or "Havayah" meaning "to exist" or the "essence of existence." So, "Haya" would also be the past, "Hoveh" would be the present, and "Yiyah" would be the future. In these words, the same letters are repeated; Y H V H. (we don't count the vowels). In verse 15, God says;

"Thus you are to say to the children of Israel, YHVH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Yitzchak, the Elohim of Yaakov has sent me to you. "THIS IS MY NAME FOREVER".

"Elohim" is the Plural spelling of our ONE GOD (Echad) the Unity of ONE. and then we have the letters YHVH. So how were these letters pronounced? How did Moshe pronounce God's most Holy Name? and Aaron? and the High Priests? No one really knows for sure. How can one pronounce a name with only consonants? How would "Michael" be pronounced if you only had "Mchl?" or "Nancy" if you only had "Nncy" It would be hard. Yet from YHVH, translators put it in vowels to arrive at the name "YeHoVaH." in Rome, the "Y" was changed to "J" to make it "JeHoVaH."

That name is popular in churches and some Bibles. Wherever the name LORD is used, the Hebrew rendition is YHVH. Out of respect for not knowing the original pronunciation, the name YHVH is pronounced "Yod Hey Vav Hey" (the names of those Hebrew letters) or "HaShem" (the name) or "Adonai." So, back to the question;
"How do we call upon the NAME of the LORD?" or YHVH?

Our God of the universe, creator of all that exists, who is merciful, and full of grace will never say; "You didn't get my name right, I'm sending you to Hell!" No, No, Never. know that our God has many names. "El Shaddai" "El Elyon" "Adonai-Elohim" and best of all "Yeshua HaMashiach" Yeshua/Jesus our Messiah. God who became flesh. There are many more. We could make a few studies on the names and how they describe our Creator and LORD. Yet He says His most HOLY name is YHVH, which describes Him as "The One who existed, the one who exists, and the one who will exist. He is our God forever. He is from eternity past, He is present with us and will continue into eternity future.

In Hebrew gematria, each letter is equal to a number. God has put His name in our DNA. Our DNA chromosomes are put together with, one could say, "bridges". There are 10 chromosomes, then a connecting bridge, then 5 chromosomes, then a connecting bridge, then 6 chromosomes, and a connecting bridge, then 5 chromosomes, and then they are repeated. in God's Holy Name, the "Y" = 10, the "H" = 5, the "V" = 6, and the "H" = 5.

YHVH is equal to "26" in Hebraic gematria. "2" symbolizes "unity" and "division" and "6" is the number of man. We have been "united" to God through Yeshua, who also became a man, yet still God. We have been "separated" or "divided" from the lost world through salvation.

When we look at the name YHVH using Paleo-Hebrew letters, which are the oldest Hebrew letters going back to the time of Abraham. We can read the name; "The Hand Revealed, the Nail Revealed" which gives us a perfect illustration of Yeshua's completed work on Calvary's Cross. He stretched out his hands to receive the nails, to pay our sin debt in full.

So, whoever calls upon Yeshua/Jesus for salvation, since He is also in YHVH, will be saved. So, don't die in your sins. The debt has been paid.

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Joel 2:32​

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Then whoever calls on the name of Yahweh will be saved. Those who escape will be on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem. Among the survivors will be those whom Yahweh calls, as Yahweh has promised.

Ancient Hebrew did not have an "e" vowel.

Psalm 118:26
Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. From the house of the Lord we bless you.

Matthew 23:39
For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”

Luke 13:35
Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”

The name Yahwah has been replaced with "The Lord."
 
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Thank you ABBA, for revealing the truth to infants, and hiding it from the educated ones, for thus it is Your Good Pleasure so to do.
Let those who call on You humbly, trusting, in truth, be blessed forever!
Yahshua, Yeshua did not require resumes of Israelis most educated 12 scribes (in Torah/Tanach) and/or Israelis most distinquished 12 religious figures of the day before He selected His twelve disciples as prompted by His Father, not man.

Even so His disciples lacked understanding, as did scribes, elders and Pharisees ...

13 Then little children were brought to Jesus, that He might put His hands on them and pray; but the disciples rebuked those who brought them.
14 But He said, Leave the children alone! Allow the little ones to come to Me, and do not forbid or restrain or hinder them, for of such [as these] is the kingdom of heaven composed.
15 And He put His hands upon them, and then went on His way.​


SHBBTH SHLM (per daq's suggestion ;) )​
 
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SHBBTH SHLM (per daq's suggestion ;) )​
Shabbat Shalom.

So lashon hara is the way to drag me into this thread and disrupt it also?

I already agree with the OP concerning the Tetragrammaton but simply happen to arrive at that understanding through a slightly different process.

The Father does not need you or me or anyone else to help distinguish himself from other gods because there are no other gods. You are looking for names like men give themselves to distinguish themselves from other men, such as Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. That is not the purpose of the Tetragrammaton, and moreover, the passage in Shemot 3 is absolutely a TEACHING episode which includes certain critical things about the original language.
 
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Ancient Hebrew did not have an "e" vowel.
Neither did the ancient Hebrew' alphabet replace "v" with "w" (YHVH) as in Yahweh.
So what's your point... that the advance of Christianity (NT) was due more to the Greek, Latin, English and other gentile (non-Jewish) language alphabets than the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet language with its accent marks.
The disciples who remained faithful with Jesus were given freely understanding of Scripture. Their minds were opened by the Father. Not so for those opposed to Yeshua, nor for most of the educated ones then norw today?
So why isn't that apparent today in this CF thread as nearly 2000 years ago with the 1st century Apostles being led by the baptism of the Holy Spirit? There are so many theologians with degrees in higher education and yet they can't seemingly agree as it seems is event in this thread?
 
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Neither did the ancient Hebrew' alphabet replace "v" with "w" (YHVH) as in Yahweh.
So what's your point... that the advance of Christianity (NT) was due more to the Greek, Latin, English and other gentile (non-Jewish) language alphabets than the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet language with its accent marks.

So why isn't that apparent today in this CF thread as nearly 2000 years ago with the 1st century Apostles being led by the baptism of the Holy Spirit? There are so many theologians with degrees in higher education and yet they can't seemingly agree as it seems is event in this thread?

Ancient Hebrew Chart
 
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I already agree with the OP concerning the Tetragrammaton but simply happen to arrive at that understanding through a slightly different process
שָׁלוֹם PEACE
Ancient 22 letter Hebrew alphabet or modern Hebrew 27 letter alphabet
Tetragrammaton is "YHVH". Neither Hebrew alphabet has yet to replaced "V" with "W" ... The Jewish Masorete scribes devised and perfected the vowel notation system for Hebrew between the 6th and 10rh century. (Yehovah YHVH) was changed to JHVH (Jehovah) by Protestants, but later removed from the Bible being replaced with either Adonai or Lord ...​
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גוּט שַׁבָּת (SHBT SHLM and Yesh'li Ktzat Ivrit)
(couldn't find Hebrew spelling with Masorete scribes accent (vowel) marks)
 
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שָׁלוֹם PEACE
Ancient 22 letter Hebrew alphabet or modern Hebrew 27 letter alphabet
Tetragrammaton is "YHVH". Neither Hebrew alphabet has yet to replaced "V" with "W" ... The Jewish Masorete scribes devised and perfected the vowel notation system for Hebrew between the 6th and 10rh century. (Yehovah YHVH) was changed to JHVJ (Jehovah) by Protestants, but later removed from the Bible being replaced with either Adonai or Lord. 27 letters ...​
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גוּט שַׁבָּת (SHBT SHLM and Yesh'li Ktzat Ivrit)
(couldn't find Hebrew spelling with Masorete scribes accent (vowel) marks)
Your chart is not correct.

The letter "V" comes from the Phoenician letter "waw." The W predates the V.
 
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שָׁלוֹם PEACE
Ancient 22 letter Hebrew alphabet or modern Hebrew 27 letter alphabet
Tetragrammaton is "YHVH". Neither Hebrew alphabet has yet to replaced "V" with "W" ... The Jewish Masorete scribes devised and perfected the vowel notation system for Hebrew between the 6th and 10rh century. (Yehovah YHVH) was changed to JHVH (Jehovah) by Protestants, but later removed from the Bible being replaced with either Adonai or Lord ...​
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If you had heard what I said in the previous thread you would have known that I am still not speaking about "Yehovah", "Jehovah", "Yahweh", "Yahveh", Yahwah", or any such concocted spelling of the Tetragrammaton with vowels inserted into it by men.

The following was no doubt correct when it was first written in Hebrew:

Revelation 1:4 ASV
4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from him who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits that are before his throne;

However the ignorant scribe who first rendered this Hebrew text into Greek turned the Tetragrammaton into an anthropomorphism. The Father is omnipresent, while "who is to come" strongly implies going from one point to another, from one place to another place. There is no place anyone can go where the Father is not already there: the heavens and the heaven of the heavens cannot contain Him.

Again, I agree with the OP in this regard, ("WHO SHALL BE", not "who is to come").
 
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If you had heard what I said in the previous thread you would have known that I am still not speaking about "Yehovah", "Jehovah", "Yahweh", "Yahveh", Yahwah", or any such concocted spelling of the Tetragrammaton with vowels inserted into it by men.

The following was no doubt correct when it was first written in Hebrew:

Revelation 1:4 ASV
4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from him who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits that are before his throne;

However the ignorant scribe who first rendered this Hebrew text into Greek turned the Tetragrammaton into an anthropomorphism. The Father is omnipresent, while "who is to come" strongly implies going from one point to another, from one place to another place. There is no place anyone can go where the Father is not already there: the heavens and the heaven of the heavens cannot contain Him.

Again, I agree with the OP in this regard, ("WHO SHALL BE", not "who is to come").
The verse is speaking about Yahshua.

  • Revelation 1:4

    Greetings and Doxology​

    John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from (him who) is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne,

  • Revelation 3:1

    To the Church in Sardis​

    “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.

  • Revelation 4:5
    From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God.

  • Revelation 5:6
    Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.


Rev 1
19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. 20 The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lamp stand is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lamp stand are the seven churches.
 
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The verse is speaking about Yahshua.

  • Revelation 1:4

    Greetings and Doxology​

    John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from (him who) is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne,

  • Revelation 3:1

    To the Church in Sardis​

    “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.

  • Revelation 4:5
    From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God.

  • Revelation 5:6
    Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.


Rev 1
19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. 20 The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lamp stand is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lamp stand are the seven churches.

Context, (and in this place order), is paramount:

Revelation 1:4-5 ASV
4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from him who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits that are before his throne;
5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loveth us, and loosed us from our sins by his blood;
 
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Context, (and in this place order), is paramount:

Revelation 1:4-5 ASV
4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from him who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits that are before his throne;
5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loveth us, and loosed us from our sins by his blood;
Your point is well made. "Him" is God the Father.
 
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If you had heard what I said in the previous thread you would have known that I am still not speaking about "Yehovah", "Jehovah", "Yahweh", "Yahveh", Yahwah", or any such concocted spelling of the Tetragrammaton with vowels inserted into it by men.

The following was no doubt correct when it was first written in Hebrew:

Revelation 1:4 ASV
4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from him who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits that are before his throne;

However the ignorant scribe who first rendered this Hebrew text into Greek turned the Tetragrammaton into an anthropomorphism. The Father is omnipresent, while "who is to come" strongly implies going from one point to another, from one place to another place. There is no place anyone can go where the Father is not already there: the heavens and the heaven of the heavens cannot contain Him.

Again, I agree with the OP in this regard, ("WHO SHALL BE", not "who is to come").
You said: The Father is omnipresent.

2 Chronicles 2:6
But who is able to build a temple for him, since the heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain him? Who then am I to build a temple for him, except as a place to burn sacrifices before him?

Isaiah 66:1
This is what the Lord says: “Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where is the house you will build for me? Where will my resting place be?

Omnipresent is not in the bible, nor is it a concept of God.

I do agree that it appears that way.

1 Kings 19:11
The Lord said, “Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of the Lord, for the Lord is about to pass by.” Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake.

1 Kings 19:12
After the earthquake came a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper.
 
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You said: The Father is omnipresent.

2 Chronicles 2:6
But who is able to build a temple for him, since the heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain him? Who then am I to build a temple for him, except as a place to burn sacrifices before him?

Isaiah 66:1
This is what the Lord says: “Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where is the house you will build for me? Where will my resting place be?

Omnipresent is not in the bible, nor is it a concept of God.

I do agree that it appears that way.

1 Kings 19:11
The Lord said, “Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of the Lord, for the Lord is about to pass by.” Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake.

1 Kings 19:12
After the earthquake came a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper.

Do you believe the passages you have quoted are telling you that the Most High is Spirit but not omnipresent? or do you believe He is not just Spirit but also has a body, form, or shape of some kind? Since we are told that the Ten Words were written with the finger of Elohim do you believe that means literal-physical fingers on a literal-physical hand?

Deuteronomy 4:12-19 KJV
12 And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.
13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
14 And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.
15 Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire:
16 Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,
17 The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air,
18 The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth:
19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

Deuteronomy 10:14 KJV
14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.

1 Kings 8:27 KJV
27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

2 Chronicles 2:5-6 KJV
5 And the house which I build is great: for great is our God above all gods.
6 But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him? who am I then, that I should build him an house, save only to burn sacrifice before him?

Psalms 139:1-10 KJV
1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. O LORD, thou hast searched me, and known me.
2 Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off.
3 Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways.
4 For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether.
5 Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me.
6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.
7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.

LOGOS (understanding) ... not modern words like omnipresent which of course will not be found in writings that are thousands of years old. Shall I fault you every time you use a word not found in the scripture? This is getting to be too much already because, as you can see, it takes at least twice as much work to refute false claims. Just because the word omnipresent isn't found in the ancient biblical text does not mean that the concept is not found therein.
 
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THE MOST HOLY NAME OF GOD;

"Ehye Asher Ehye" can come from the Hebrew word "Haya" or "Havayah" meaning "to exist" or the "essence of existence." So, "Haya" would also be the past, "Hoveh" would be the present, and "Yiyah" would be the future. In these words, the same letters are repeated; Y H V H
"Thus you are to say to the children of Israel, YHVH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Yitzchak, the Elohim of Yaakov has sent me to you. "THIS IS MY NAME FOREVER"
."Elohim" is the Plural spelling of our ONE GOD (Echad) the Unity of ONE. and then we have the letters YHVH.
Yet from YHVH, translators put it in vowels to arrive at the name "YeHoVaH."
That name is popular in churches and some Bibles. Wherever the name LORD is used, the Hebrew rendition is YHVH. Out of respect for not knowing the original pronunciation, the name YHVH is pronounced "Yod Hey Vav Hey"
So, back to the question; "How do we call upon the NAME of the LORD?" or YHVH?
Yet He says His most HOLY name is YHVH, which describes Him as "The One who existed, the one who exists, and the one who will exist. He is our God forever. He is from eternity past, He is present with us and will continue into eternity future.
In Hebrew gematria, each letter is equal to a number. God has put His name in our DNA. Our DNA chromosomes are put together with, one could say, "bridges". There are 10 chromosomes, then a connecting bridge, then 5 chromosomes, then a connecting bridge, then 6 chromosomes, and a connecting bridge, then 5 chromosomes, and then they are repeated. in God's Holy Name, the "Y" = 10, the "H" = 5, the "V" = 6, and the "H" = 5.
YHVH is equal to "26" in Hebraic gematria. "2" symbolizes "unity" and "division" and "6" is the number of man. We have been "united" to God through Yeshua, who also became a man, yet still God. We have been "separated" or "divided" from the lost world through salvation.
When we look at the name YHVH using Paleo-Hebrew letters, which are the oldest Hebrew letters going back to the time of Abraham. We can read the name; "The Hand Revealed, the Nail Revealed" which gives us a perfect illustration of Yeshua's completed work on Calvary's Cross. He stretched out his hands to receive the nails, to pay our sin debt in full.
So, whoever calls upon Yeshua/Jesus for salvation, since He is also in YHVH, will be saved. So, don't die in your sins. The debt has been paid.
daq apparently doesn't agree with the OP of this MJ thread when it comes to Rabbi James favoring YHVH over YHWH.

It should be noted that the "waw" dialect sound is Phoenician (and Syriac waw ܘ and Arabic wāw; whereas "vav" is definitely of Hebrew origin. There is no way of knowing if the "waw" (YHWH) pronounciation was ever used by the high priests before the dispersion of Jews to foreign gentile nations.

Therefore there is no adequte reason/proof that Rabbi James is not correct (YHVH).

Is daq or someone else able prove beyond a shadow of doubt that the "vav" sound was not used by the high priests even before the dispora (first beginning in 586 bce)?

 
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vav or waw

In the history of the Hebrew language, the sixth letter, originally pronounced as "waw"
(like the "w" in "water"), evolved into being pronounced as "vav" (like the "v" in "van") in modern Hebrew.
Here's a more detailed explanation:

Historical Pronunciation:
The letter, often written as "ו" (vav), was historically pronounced as "waw" (a sound similar to the English "w") in ancient Hebrew and other Semitic languages.

Modern Pronunciation:
Modern Hebrew, however, pronounces this letter as "vav" (a sound similar to the English "v").
Origin of the Shift:
This shift in pronunciation is believed to have occurred over time, with influences from Germanic language practices (where the letter "w" is often pronounced as "v").
Vav as a consonant and a vowel:
Vav can function as a consonant, but also as a consonantal vowel, making sounds like "oh" or "oo" depending on the vowel point (nikud).
Vav in other languages:
In Syriac and Arabic, the word for "hook" has fallen out of use, but in Modern Hebrew, the word "vav" is used to mean both "hook" and the letter's name.


 
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