So is it a mob or not?

[wing2000]

Hence our current conversation concerning droning masses of violent mobs.

violent mobs?

 

[wing2000]

Not sure. But it appears "mob" became a talking point earlier this week. I wonder which Conservative think tank sent out an e-mail to everyone to use that particular word.

Sunday morning...Who is the mob? -- McConnell's response:

Transcript: Sen. Mitch McConnell on "Face the Nation," October 7, 2018 - CBS News

 

[LostMarbels]

violent mobs?

Yes violent. Violent does not always mean physical. Would you rather I used the term veheminate, or aggressively passionate?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I'm flipping through channels and find two people arguing over whether an extremely loud and disruptive group is a mob or not.

It's a mob!
It's not a mob!
It is too a mob!
Stop calling it a mob!

When does a group become a mob?

When it becomes disorderly and is intent on causing trouble or violence....

You can rant and rave all you like, unless that ranting and raving is intended to incite trouble or violence.... or does so unintentionally.... then it becomes a mob....

Which is why we have a constitution protecting peaceful gatherings....

"or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,"

 

[USincognito]

Yes violent. Violent does not always mean physical. Would you rather I used the term veheminate, or aggressively passionate?

No, violent inherently means physical.

 

[hopperace]

What if they're not violent but are merely loud and boisterous and have lit torches and pitchforks? 'Cause I could well imagine some may feel somewhat terrorised under such circumstances, and, well, things could easily escalate quite beyond consequences for which one might otherwise be prepared, and not just mentally.

 

[hopperace]

I mean, my first thought might not be they were simple farmers pitching hay at night. I'm just sayin'.

 

[rjs330]

No, violent inherently means physical.

That's funny coming from someone that just challenged the definition of mob.

 

[LostMarbels]

No, violent inherently means physical.

A color can be violent or even 'loud' tho it is silent. Speech can get violent and even be very abusive. Don't believe me talk to a victim of spouse abuse that has never even had a hand put on them. Speech is very powerful, and can be extremely damaging. The same could be said of an individual that use postoring to intimidate and frequently throws objects or breaks/punches things. Violence does not necessarily have to be a physical act against one's person to create real damming effect in someone.

 

[Kentonio]

A color can be violent or even 'loud' tho it is silent. Speech can get violent and even be very abusive. Don't believe me talk to a victim of spouse abuse that has never even had a hand put on them. Speech is very powerful, and can be extremely damaging. The same could be said of an individual that use postoring to intimidate and frequently throws objects or breaks/punches things. Violence does not necessarily have to be a physical act against one's person to create real damming effect in someone.

Think about what you’re actually saying in regards to a crowd. So basically any gathering of people who are passionate about the subject they’re protesting could be called a ‘violent mob’ by your standards? That seem like a good idea to you?

 

[LostMarbels]

Think about what you’re actually saying in regards to a crowd. So basically any gathering of people who are passionate about the subject they’re protesting could be called a ‘violent mob’ by your standards? That seem like a good idea to you?

Violent denotes abusive, or angrily passionate. Beating on walls, screaming in people's faces and following them into rooms aggressively is violent. Burning cars, throwing objects, and emotional abuse with language is violent. If you did the same to your wife and had the cops called your going to jail buddy.

 

[Kentonio]

Violent denotes abusive, or angrily passionate. Beating on walls, screaming in people's faces and following them into rooms aggressively is violent. Burning cars, throwing objects, and emotional abuse with language is violent. If you did the same to your wife and had the cops called your going to jail buddy.

So any protest that has passion can now be called a violent mob? So you basically want the constitutionally protested right to peaceful protest to be abolished? Or can people only protest in silence now?

 

[LostMarbels]

So any protest that has passion can now be called a violent mob? So you basically want the constitutionally protested right to peaceful protest to be abolished? Or can people only protest in silence now?

This is a protest:

A group of screeching angry people banging on walls, and threatening people is a mob.

 

[Kentonio]

This is a protest:
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A group of screeching angry people banging on walls, and threatening people is a mob.

Banging on walls is certainly violent. Threatening people is also violent (and a crime most places). You seemed to be going beyond that, into angry speech being violent however.

 

[wing2000]

Yes violent. Violent does not always mean physical. Would you rather I used the term veheminate, or aggressively passionate?

Violence in the context of political protest does mean physical violence.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Typically when you disagree with them.

Bingo!

 

[USincognito]

Hence our current conversation concerning droning masses of violent mobs.

"Masses of violent mobs"? You're ironically demonstrating my point for me.

 

[LostMarbels]

Banging on walls is certainly violent. Threatening people is also violent (and a crime most places). You seemed to be going beyond that, into angry speech being violent however.

As I have said a million times speech is protected in America. If you honestly believe that is what I stand for, I invite you to use the search feature on this forum. I do not stand for the censure of speech.

Hunting people down to scream at, intimidate, and ridicule is violent behavior. Impending people's freedom of movement is violent behavior.

There is no way of condoning such actions and everyone knows the emotional and psychological harm it does to be oppressively hunted down and screamed at. Even more so when you are put in fear and denied the ability to leave the situation.

Just think about it. A man hunts down his wife while she is at a restaurant, screams and rants at her in front of everyone forcing her to leave. When they are home he puts holes in the walls, flips furniture, and forces her into a corner and screams at her for hours telling her all sorts of lies and horrible things. Oh but the saving grace is he never got 'violent', right?

 

[mark kennedy]

As I recall the founding fathers regarded Democracy as mob rule. There is a collective psychology to a mob, people can be whipped up into a frenzy they would not normally give into. A nob tends to be roiting, breakingbthing, throwing things, setting things on fire. I remeber in the 70s the Congress had a committe that concluded riots are the single greatest treat to domestic security and with a few exceptions nost werent that bad. There was the famous Watts riot, Kent State and that massive LA riot over the Rodney King decision.

I guess you could say what is a 'mob' is in the eyes of the beholder. It could also depend on which side of the buisness end of an angry crowd your on

 

[Kentonio]

Hunting people down to scream at, intimidate, and ridicule is violent behavior. Impending people's freedom of movement is violent behavior.

How about standing outside congress shouting at specific congress members as part of a protest? Is that 'hunting people down to scream at' and therefore should be banned? How are we defining screaming incidentally, does chanting or shouting also count if its loud or shrill enough? How about impeding freedom of movement, would that also include say a large crowd of African Americans marching across a bridge thus blocking people's ability to drive across? Is that to be considered a violent protest?

If you're going to expand the definition of violent, it would be useful to understand exactly how far you intend to take that.