Sitting Out Super Tuesday

[cow451]

After having seen Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar drop out, I don't see a moderate candidate under age seventy. So, I'm sitting out this primary.

In 2016, I voted third party. I was hoping to be able to vote for a real contender this time around, but it's not looking good.

 

[iluvatar5150]

After having seen Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar drop out, I don't see a moderate candidate under age seventy. So, I'm sitting out this primary.

In 2016, I voted third party. I was hoping to be able to vote for a real contender this time around, but it's not looking good.

MD doesn't have their primary until the end of April, which... what's the point?

 

[tall73]

After having seen Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar drop out, I don't see a moderate candidate under age seventy. So, I'm sitting out this primary.

In 2016, I voted third party. I was hoping to be able to vote for a real contender this time around, but it's not looking good.

I voted third party last time around as well as I could not vote for either of the two major party candidates. If more people would abandon the binary thinking that you have to vote for an establishment party candidate then perhaps the day will come a third party could win.

I get the "real contender" argument. But things can change.

 

[evoeth]

Biden is lukewarm. He's bland, has no ideas, and he's desperately out of touch. Pizza-is-a-vegetable Klobuchar abuses her staff. Buttigieg is obviously the current generation's moderate, establishment candidate: he's a clean polished product of the consulting industry and to my knowledge he's never taken a controversial position or a political risk in his life.

Bernie is a real left-wing candidate, complete with proud socialism, but don't worry, it's like Denmark. Which is totally a thing whose nuance is going to carry over to the general election! (sarcasm FYI).

Warren on the other hand, has similar policy views to Bernie without the over-the-top with-or-without-you kind of attitude that he projects. She actually stands a chance of getting that left-wing agenda going in this country. That's my choice.

 

[98cwitr]

Unless the coup gets Sanders, looks like he'll get it I'm betting.

 

[Desk trauma]

After having seen Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar drop out, I don't see a moderate candidate under age seventy. So, I'm sitting out this primary.

In 2016, I voted third party. I was hoping to be able to vote for a real contender this time around, but it's not looking good.

The only candidate who interested me at all was Yang and with him long gone at this point I'm left with no option that would prompt me to take the time to vote in the primary.

Room on that bench for one more?

 

[Halbhh]

After having seen Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar drop out, I don't see a moderate candidate under age seventy. So, I'm sitting out this primary.

In 2016, I voted third party. I was hoping to be able to vote for a real contender this time around, but it's not looking good.

Why Elizabeth Warren is a good choice (and for centrists too!) -- unlike her main competition of Biden, Sanders, and Trump, she does 2 good things, instead of just 0 or 1 like the others.

She both:

A) thinks clearly
and
B) doesn't try to use some ideology by which to fool voters.

More or less you could say Warrens positions are that classic good things government does like education and support for health care and other basic "public goods" are the goals. And that the rich, who have benefited so much from America, should "pay their fair share."

But she recognizes also that freedom of enterprise is the best basic system -- e.g. she says, "I'm capitalist to the bone." (Warren has said this several times to make it clear she's likes free enterprise and knows it is what has been shown to work best)

So, you have here the best of all positions:

• Free Enterprise along the Rule of Law (and less corruption)
• More fair sharing of the burden for a good level of public goods (education, the environment, healthcare)
• And an absence of ideological trickery and the inevitable bad outcomes of any ideology.

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In practical terms, voting for Warren won't give the election to Sanders, and also won't give it to Biden unless Biden can win her endorsement in the convention...

See how that's good? --
It will give the best individual thinker more influence.

If Biden wins he should take her as his running mate or a prominent member of the cabinet.
Same if Sanders wins.

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Unlike Trump, who pays lip service to various things people like, but it's only lip service, Warren knows how to actually accomplish what Trump promised and cannot actually accomplish, but only tries to create the verbal appearance has been done.

 

[Halbhh]

After having seen Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar drop out, I don't see a moderate candidate under age seventy. So, I'm sitting out this primary.

In 2016, I voted third party. I was hoping to be able to vote for a real contender this time around, but it's not looking good.

So, in view of that just above, the non-wasted vote is to vote for Warren, so that she can have more influence later on, such as being a key person in the next (democratic) administration.

 

[civilwarbuff]

More or less you could say Warrens positions are that classic good things government does like education and support for health care and other basic "public goods" are the goal, and that the rich, who have benefited so much from America, should "pay their fair share."

So, can any of these candidates tell us what 'fair share' means.....in dollars and cents or at least percentages.....cuz I have not seen much on that.....except the 'fair share' level begins well above their own level of wealth.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

After having seen Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar drop out, I don't see a moderate candidate under age seventy. So, I'm sitting out this primary.

In 2016, I voted third party. I was hoping to be able to vote for a real contender this time around, but it's not looking good.

When I read your post, I thought I would write back .. “if you care about age then policy, it is better you sit at home”. Then I realized something, I , myself did consider age over policy in this election , but just the opposite. I liked many of Mayor Pete’s policy. I think someday he will be great President, but I wasn’t going to vote for a guy to be leader of the free world at age 39.

I am in my mid-40s. As a grow old, I realized something.. you can have the best education from best UNI in the world, your IQ could be the highest and you have all the best knowledge in the world, but the “life experience” which comes with age, you can’t get that in any book. You just have to be old to gain that knowledge. And the idea that a 77 years old man can’t understand 21st centuries problem ( as Mayor Pete argued about Biden in debate) is just nonsense. If you are in your 70 and smart and intelligent and want to understand, then you can understand what young generation wants. I know you might say the same thing about younger generation.. if they are smart and intelligent .. they can get that too. Well as I said you can’t learn “ life experience” in book, but everything else.. there is a MasterCard!

 

[Tiberius Lee]

Unless the coup gets Sanders, looks like he'll get it I'm betting.

What coup! I think the definition of coup became something other then what I know. Is democrat stuffing the ballot box, is democrat not letting Sen. Sander’s voter vote whomever they want to vote. Pete and Amy dropped out on their own and telling people to vote for the guy they like.. that is call campaigning. Or is that in Barny Bros world “coup”

 

[Aryeh Jay]

After having seen Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar drop out, I don't see a moderate candidate under age seventy. So, I'm sitting out this primary.

In 2016, I voted third party. I was hoping to be able to vote for a real contender this time around, but it's not looking good.

You should get comfortable sitting at home because if the last two cycles have shown anything (2016 and 2020), the Democrats are not at all interested in winning against Trump. I am pretty sure that they are content to allow Trump and his supporters to implement any policy they want and further erode what remains of American Democracy. Then one of two things will happen, the Democrats will run a winnable candidate that will never be able to accomplish anything due to the changed laws and policies implemented by the Republicans, or we will be in a one party Right Wing Nationalist State.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

It looks like it’s going to be a repeat of 2016. The voters for the most part want one thing (clearly they like Bernie) and the establishment wants another. They deserve to lose again for ignoring the voters.

 

[Halbhh]

To me, a fair share for the very high income people would be an effective (overall net) tax rate equal or a little higher (say 5% or 10% higher) than an upper middle income like $150,000/yr or $200,000/yr person has to pay. So that a multimillionaire or billionaire will not pay a lower rate than their secretary, but a slightly higher rate.

5 Ways That Billionaire Warren Buffett Pays a Lower Tax Rate Than His Secretary

This is the norm -- the very rich in America pay a lower tax rate than many of the upper middle class that earn for example a good wage like $120,000 or $150,000/yr.

more: Buffett says he's still paying lower tax rate than his secretary

So, can any of these candidates tell us what 'fair share' means.....in dollars and cents or at least percentages.....cuz I have not seen much on that.....except the 'fair share' level begins well above their own level of wealth.

 

[98cwitr]

To me, a fair share for the very high income people would be an effective (overall net) tax rate equal or a little higher (say 5% or 10% higher) than an upper middle income like $150,000/yr or $200,000/yr person has to pay. So that a multimillionaire or billionaire will not pay a lower rate than their secretary, but a slightly higher rate.

5 Ways That Billionaire Warren Buffett Pays a Lower Tax Rate Than His Secretary

This is the norm -- the very rich in America pay a lower tax rate than many of the upper middle class that earn for example a good wage like $120,000 or $150,000/yr.

more: Buffett says he's still paying lower tax rate than his secretary

He gives millions to charities and employees people; two really good things that I think is grossly unjust to criticize someone for.

 

[Halbhh]

It looks like it’s going to be a repeat of 2016. The voters for the most part want one thing (clearly they like Bernie) and the establishment wants another. They deserve to lose again for ignoring the voters.

Bernie before today has had under 1/3 of the democratic vote (total votes all states before today combined). The 'moderates' have had well above 1/2 altogether. Therefore I don't think it's at all correct to say voters want Bernie more than something more in the middle. Rather, Bernie only has a plurality. Or has had. It will be pretty interesting to see how the combined votes from today add up.

 

[Desk trauma]

It will be pretty interesting to see how the combined votes from today add up.

Had most centrists stayed in I would say that Sanders was looking very good for the nomination but it's definitely up in the air now.

 

[Halbhh]

He gives millions to charities and employees people; two really good things that I think is grossly unjust to criticize someone for.

We agree 100% on that!

(except that the real number from Buffet isn't 'millions' but a lot more (hugely more!))

Also, I hope you will agree with Buffet also about his very good point that the very wealthy like himself should pay higher taxes.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

Bernie before today has had under 1/3 of the democratic vote (total votes all states before today combined). The 'moderates' have had well above 1/2 altogether. Therefore I don't think it's at all correct to say voters want Bernie more than something more in the middle. Rather, Bernie only has a plurality. Or has had. It will be pretty interesting to see how the combined votes from today add up.

I know the number will change today , but as of Saturday .. Joe Biden got more vote then Sanders. So saying , voter wants Sanders is misleading.

 

[98cwitr]

We agree 100% on that!

(except that the real number from Buffet isn't 'millions' but a lot more (hugely more!))

Also, I hope you will agree with Buffet also about his very good point that the very wealthy like himself should pay higher taxes.

OT topic, so I made this: Buffet says the rich should pay more in taxes, but if that's true...