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Featured Since you mis-interpret internet posts, how much more the bible?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Michael Collum, Feb 16, 2021.

  1. Chris Endrizzi

    Chris Endrizzi New Member

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    Excellent question! Grace And Peace To All Precious friend(s) IF I may humbly offer The Following, In The Love Of The LORD JESUS CHRIST, For your Edification?:

    BIBLE Study Rules!

    Seven Excellent Rules for Knowledgeable Bible study!
    "According To The Scriptures!" :

    (1) “Let ALL things be done Decently and In Order!”
    (1 Corinthians 14 : 40 KJB!)

    (2) Study ALL Scripture Rightly Divided! :

    “Study to shew thyself Approved unto God, a workman that
    needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly Dividing The Word Of Truth!”
    (2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!)

    (3) Never Ever add to, Or take away From, God’s PURE And Holy Word!
    { Including "God's Contexts!," Rightly Divided! # }
    (Deuteronomy 4 : 2, 12 : 32; Proverbs 30 : 5-6; Revelation 22 : 18,19 KJB!)

    (4) Be noble students :

    “These (in Berea) were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in
    that they received The Word with all readiness of mind, and
    searched The Scriptures daily, Whether Those Things Were So!”
    (Acts 17 : 11 KJB!)

    (5) Build Sound Doctrine, God’s Way! :

    (5a) “For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
    line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little!”
    (Isaiah 28 : 10 KJB!)

    (5b) Find ALL Related Scriptures For A Specific doctrine! :

    ”ALL Scripture Is Given By Inspiration Of God, And Is
    Profitable For Doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
    instruction in righteousness : that the man of God may
    be perfect, throughly furnished unto ALL good works!”
    (2 Timothy 3 : 16-17 KJB!)

    (5c) Compare ALL Related Scriptures to learn and know a specific doctrine! :

    “Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s
    wisdom teacheth, but Which The Holy Ghost Teacheth;
    comparing spiritual things with spiritual!”
    (1 Corinthians 2 : 13 KJB!)
    {Comparing Scripture With Scripture!}

    “Simplicity” in CHRIST! (2 Corinthians 11 : 3 KJB!)
    Amen?

    (6) The Best "Interpretive" Commentary On The Bible Is :
    The BIBLE Itself!

    NEVER ever interpret The Many Plain Scriptures by the "few" difficult verses, But, ALWAYS Always Interpret the few Obscure/Difficult/Dubious verses By ALL Of The MANY Plain and Clear Passages Of God’s Pure And Holy Word!
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    ONE Final Excellent Rule for Knowledgeable Bible study! :

    (7) In order to Honor The Father And The SON (John 5 : 22-23 KJB!),
    in Preparation For Judgment,
    Always keep {Uppermost} in mind :

    ”Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do,
    do ALL to The Glory Of God!” (1 Corinthians 10 : 31 KJB!)

    And then we ALL, who are "Called Into Fellowship With God's SON,
    The LORD JESUS CHRIST" (1 Corinthians 1 : 9 KJB!), And, "Endeavouring For The Unity Of God's Spirit In The Bond Of PEACE!..." (Ephesians 4 : 3 KJB!),
    can obey God's Exhortations! :

    ”...speak...the things which become Sound Doctrine!”
    (Titus 2 : 1 cp "SAME mind And judgment!" 1 Corinthians 1 : 10 KJB!)
    Amen?
    --------------------------
    Would the Results of following All of God’s Rules Above Be:

    That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all Riches of the Full Assurance Of Understanding, to the acknowledgement of the Mystery {#} Of God, and of the Father, and of Christ!” (Colossians 2 : 2 KJB!)?
    ------------------
    # "study" example available upon request...

    brother Chris E

    To The Praise Of The Glory Of HIS {Amazing} GRACE!”
     
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2021
  2. The Liturgist

    The Liturgist Traditional Liturgical Christian

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    We can in many cases be reasonably certain of how the early church fathers interpreted a passage, which is good enough for me. The Ecumenical Councils and the Patristic writings are more valuable than any modern scholarship, unless that scholarship is itself focused on using a Patristic methodology. Because those who were just a few generations removed from the Apostles are most likely to know, but it is important to know who each Church Father is, as some are more reliable than others, and they being people had different strengths and weaknesses. As did the Apostles; our Lord recruited ordinary people and sinners, rather than founding a new a superhuman race of ubermenschen. (As Scientology and several other cults claim to do)
     
  3. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    That adds another factor as well.

    Reading the conclusions of the church fathers compared to the type of logic used when reading today, is another example of how impossible it is to interpret the text correctly since we are removed from the originating culture.
     
  4. Loversofjesus_2018

    Loversofjesus_2018 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for your response... So are you saying it’s not possible they were wrong?
     
  5. Loversofjesus_2018

    Loversofjesus_2018 Well-Known Member

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    I see what your say in here but I’m in no position to say what’s important and what’s not. If God wrote a book every singe thing in that book is important right?
     
  6. Mayflower1

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    Yes. Amen... "But the greatest of these is love."
     
  7. The Liturgist

    The Liturgist Traditional Liturgical Christian

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    It’s hardly impossible because we have Christian communities where we can show, by documented evidence, that their beliefs have not changed since the Patristic era, and that their liturgical texts are of equivalent age. And a major part of Patristics is studying the history and culture of the Roman and Byzantine Empire, for those who are not blessed to grow up in an Eastern Christian culture in which the ancient ways are largely preserved.
     
  8. Bobber

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    I'd suggest you're way, way overstating what should be considered a concern. Yes it's wonderful to study context when it comes to history and there's some things about that we can learn but your premise takes one to a conclusion that we're absolutely lost and have no sure footing nor should we have any confidence about anything. In effect you're saying that God himself failed in creating a revelation that couldn't really be considered a guide and light for our path.

    I reject that idea! When Jesus said the gospel shall be preached till all have heard then the end shall come so why even bother having it preached then? Wouldn't that make it a meaningless endeavour? I hold rather the scriptures are clear on all things that pertain to life and godliness. A God of LOVE would not leave his children into confusion or hopeless despair not knowing where they stand.
     
  9. Mountainmike

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    My answer is Jesus says not.

    He gave them the power to “ bind and loose” which to first century Jews meant “ give definitive judgement on disputes of doctrine or law” bound in heaven! Ie correct teaching. . It has always been the case: it is why Jesus told them to listen when they teach from Moses seat- the equivalent of ex cathedra now.

    but the most compelling argument is why would Jesus allow His church to apostatise? It challenges Gods omnipotence, and His clear undertaking that the gates of hell would not prevail against his church and that THE gospel will be taught to the end of time. Also with apostasy many generations lose the chance of salvation- after what He had to endure to give all the chance of salvation, it doesn’t make sense.

    One of the problems for those claiming that they are only restoring to the early church - is first they have to declare a time when doctrine was changed. A common one to claim as bogeyman is Constantine: yet read such as “ life of Anthony” by anasthasius ( of the nicean council) whose life and ministry spanned constantines reign, you see nothing actually changed! They then have to define “ early church dogma” yet confronted with writings of the time, the early fathers all preached the same thing from the first.

    if you are interested in this subject read “ the apostasy that wasn’t” bennet.

    This is why the famous Cardinal Newman said “ to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant”

    BTW it is these arguments and similar that took me on a journey from Protestant and evangelical back to Rome.
     
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  10. klutedavid

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    Well, someone here has been reading the Bible and understanding what the scripture teaches.

    1 John 4:8
    The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

    1 John 4:16
    We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
     
  11. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    Studying a culture from a textbook is vastly different than living in that culture and in that time. Even with the ancient traditions, they still need to live in a culture that has changed, and speak a language that has changed. It's not the same thing.
     
  12. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    I think the point is, certainty is an idol that needs to be discarded, perhaps humility is one of those lost virtues in the same stride.
     
  13. Bobber

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    I'd say rather that exalting a notion that God wasn't able to provide a revelation to men which should be considered a SURE word actually insults the Spirit of Grace. Interesting study is to look up every time the word SURE or SURELY is used in scriptures.
     
  14. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    God surely did and does provide revelations to man. However, idolizing the text, and listening to God's voice are two separate activities.
     
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