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  1. Reformationist

    Reformationist Non nobis domine sed tuo nomine da gloriam

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    I was wondering if someone could clarify something for me.  As I understand it, there are two catagories of sin that the Catholic church has designated, these being mortal and venial.  The way I understand the belief is that venial sins are not harmful to a Christian salvitically, but mortal sins are, unless repented for.  I am under the impression that most sin falls under the heading of venial.  What I am ignorant about is which sins are mortal.  Are these the "seven deadly sins?"

    Thanks for your time.

    God bless
     
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  2. pax

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    For a sin to be Mortal three conditions must be present:

    1. Grave Matter - the sin itself must be grave enough to be considered mortal (i.e. adultery, murder, etc...)

    2. Knowledge of gravity of sin - you must know the sin is mortal

    3. Full consent - There aren't other factors that may lessen your gravity (Mental disorders, other major stressors, etc... Most of the time lack of consent may not necessarily not make something sinful, but often it can lessen the seriousness of the offence and on rare occasion, completely remit it).

    Some Mortal sins can include:

    Failing to hear Mass on Sundays and Holy Days (sin of disobedience)
    Murder
    Adultery
    Major Theft
    Perjury


    etc...
     
  3. nyj

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    Example: Divorce

    1) As to divorce being grave matter, the Catholic Church states: CCC 2384 Divorce is a grave offense against the natural law. It claims to break the contract, to which the spouses freely consented, to live with each other till death. Divorce does injury to the covenant of salvation, of which sacramental marriage is the sign.

    2) Knowledge of the gravity of sin? For a Catholic such as myself, well versed in the teachings of the Catholic Church, I can not claim ignorance of the fact that divorce is grave matter, that it is a serious offense against God and to society. Having obtained a divorce, I am well aware of the seriousness of this issue, yet obtained one anyways which leads us to...

    3) Full consent. Knowing the gravity of the nature of divorce, and having obtained one anyways, I have willingly disobeyed God's natural laws and set my will opposed to His. I have disobeyed God willingly and knowingly, rejecting the sacramental graces He bestowed upon me at the time I took my wedding vows. My wife (since the Church has not recognized my divorce) however did not consent to this divorce, yet under the laws of Oklahoma, the divorce is still legal. Since she did not consent, but rather, was forced into this situation, she does not meet the criteria for the commission of a mortal sin. I on the other hand, have committed a mortal sin.

    If I die on the way home tonight, I will go to hell. It's as simple as that.
     
  4. Caedmon

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    Aye caramba... :eek:
     
  5. Caedmon

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    Alright, you finalized your divorce and there's nothing you can do to reverse it, and yet you desire to repent. Will you go to Hell if you can't get to a Confession in time? Also, what exactly comes of the marriage? Are you required to "remarry" this person? What if you can't make it work?
     
  6. KC Catholic

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    Oh cheese and crackers NYJ! Are you OK?

    Email or PM me if you need to!

    ((((NYJ))))
     
  7. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    nyj, are you speaking figuratively, or literally?
     
  8. seebs

    seebs God Made Me A Skeptic

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    Aya!

    That's actually a very tough question. BTW, nyj, my advice would be "don't go home then".

    So, out of curiousity, at what point do you stop being in danger of hell? When you repent? When you confess your sin? When you remarry?

    I would assume it is the repentance, not the confession, that lets you go to heaven; otherwise, you could send people to Hell by denying them priests.
     
  9. isshinwhat

    isshinwhat Pro Deo et Patria

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    The Church doesn't believe that two married people can ever really spiritually divorce. A legal divorce is permissible in certain circumstances, but remarriage to another person is never an option. Therefore a Catholic who was legally divorced should remain celibate for the remainder of their life, or reconcile with their estranged spouse, because spiritually they are still married. Does that help?

    God Bless,

    Neal
     
  10. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    There is always the possibility of an anullment, however......this is where the marriage is examined by a team of canon lawyers, theologians, and psychologists, to determine if the conditions existed at the time of the wedding for an actual marriage to exist. Sometimes it is concluded that due to certain factors (immaturity of the parties, for example), the marriage cannot be considered canonically valid, and a statement declaring the marriage sacramentally null is issued, allowing the parties to re-marry.

    It must be stressed that any children produced by the nullified union are still considered legitimate. :)
     
  11. Caedmon

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    /me apologizes in advance if nyj was speaking literally and he got offended by the subsequent posts...
     
  12. niwde

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    i feel divorce is a sin,why
    search urself
    i can just pick up the newspaper and see so many celebs marrying and divorcing,like tom cruise and nicole kidman
    if u search urself deeply,u will know y

    y at first they want to commit themselves to each other
    BECAUSE OF SEX
    thats all
    if u really love ur partner,u will wait,and if that love is from god,it last forever.perhaps maybe heaven

    actually all sins are bad
    but because we sin so often that we do not know when we actually sin.
    so there are 2 types ,venial and mortal
    if we were to confess all venial sins,i think we won't be doing anything in the secular world.
    mortal sins are of course,u know it is big and dangerous
     
  13. Reformationist

    Reformationist Non nobis domine sed tuo nomine da gloriam

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    Okay.  So we have missing mass on Sundays and Holy Days, Murder, Adultery, Major Theft, Perjury, and Divorce.  Any others?  How do you come to know which sins are mortal in nature?  Is there a list somewhere?

    God bless
     
  14. isshinwhat

    isshinwhat Pro Deo et Patria

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    The categories are fairly broad-based, and not often specific, as far as I have been told.

    Here is an excerpt from the Catholic Encyclopedia article "Sin", copied from www.newadvent.org.

    God Bless,

    Neal
     
  15. Reformationist

    Reformationist Non nobis domine sed tuo nomine da gloriam

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    So if there is no definitive text dictating the catagory that a sin fits into, how do you determine if your salvation is in jeapordy for any particular sin?  I know you all believe that we must repent for every sin, but as far as the salvitically impairing ones, how do you know what they are?  Going by pax's definition, you would need some authoritative judgment on whether your sin is "considered mortal," right?  Who is it that determines whether the sin is mortal?

    No wonder you Catholics are so smart.  You'd have to be genius to read stuff like this on a regular basis. :D

    God bless
     
  16. isshinwhat

    isshinwhat Pro Deo et Patria

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    Confession is more than just telling the priest your sins, it involves counsel, as well. That is where a lot of learning takes place. The priest will counsel you specifically, one on one. Mass and religious education classes, as well, are good sources of information. I believe Religious Ed. classes are mandantory for children in most Diocese, aren't they? KC, Wols, nyj, someone who knows, :help: me out with that.

    For me, though, Confession has been a great source of grace and learning.

    God Bless,

    Neal
     
  17. Reformationist

    Reformationist Non nobis domine sed tuo nomine da gloriam

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    Uhhh...Neal...did you mean to post this here? :scratch:

    Is this in reply to me asking how you learn if your sin is classified as mortal?

    Thanks,

    Don
     
  18. isshinwhat

    isshinwhat Pro Deo et Patria

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    Yeah, but it wasn't very clear nor coherent, was it? :) Sorry about that, I'm getting ready to leave for Pensacola on Sunday to look for a job, and Carole's mother and Father have been in town for Anne's birthday (that's Carole's mother), so I have been very busy this week.

    My post was in response to your question I posted above. We learn about sin a lot in Confession while taliking with a priest. It is nice, because it is tailored specifically to us. In confession we are absolved of all our sins, not just those we confess, unless we leave them out purposely in our confession. If we forget to confess a sin, even if it is a Mortal one, our sincere desire for repentance and the grace of Christ through the Sacrament covers us and it is forgiven. So technically speaking, we don't have to confess every sin to have them all forgiven.

    That clarify a little, I hope. :)

    God Bless,

    Neal
     
  19. Reformationist

    Reformationist Non nobis domine sed tuo nomine da gloriam

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    Well, I'll try to wrap this up then.  Good luck with your family. :)  

    So what exactly does "absolved" mean in that context?

    Here's where I get a bit confused.  If you forget to confess you're okay, but according to nyj, if you die before you get the chance, you're going to hell.  Am I understanding that correctly?

    God bless,

    Don
     
  20. Reformationist

    Reformationist Non nobis domine sed tuo nomine da gloriam

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    Oh yeah, sorry, but who is it again that determines if the sin falls into the "mortal" catagory?  Is that the priest?

    Thanks,

    Don
     
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