Sin is a personal contract between you and God. OTHERS do not sin. You do.

[SkyWriting]

I have no idea what you are trying to say or what your question or questions maybe?

Hypothetical I guess?

M-Bob

True story. A co-worker of mine killed killed 5 young people with a gun.
He is a nice guy and has a family and a twin brother.
I claim that sin is invisible to outsiders.
What sin to I blame? Which sin do you blame?

 

[SkyWriting]

What does the story of the prostitute have to do with the fact that sins are listed and not undefined?

James 4:17
Therefore, whoever knows the right thing to do, yet fails to do it, is guilty of sin.

John 9:41
"If you were blind," Jesus replied, "you would not be guilty of sin. But since you claim you can see, your guilt remains."

2 Peter 2:21
It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and turned away from the holy commandment passed on to them.

John 15:24
If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have seen and hated both Me and My Father.

 

[SkyWriting]

What does the story of the prostitute have to do with the fact that sins are listed and not undefined?

Listing them is a sin, of sorts.
It makes the mistake of implying that those
not on the list do not lead to death.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Listing them is a sin, of sorts.
It makes the mistake of implying that those
not on the list do not lead to death.

Oh no I'm not suggesting that just certain bible verses list sins but I'm not suggesting there aren't some that are listed.. you can argue smoking would fall in with drunkness for example because if you form an addiction to smoking it's kind of like having an addiction to drinking and over drinking. I get what you mean now

 

[~Anastasia~]

John 15:22
If I had not come and spoken to them,
they would not be guilty of sin.
Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin.

Not to be argumentative, but this does not say that they were not sinning before they knew of God's commands. It simply means they were not held responsible for sins they committed in ignorance.

If we had full knowledge, we would all realize that we very frequently sin in ignorance.

This is another reason why sin is not a purely legal contract. God can simply forgive/overlook if we sin in ignorance, and frequently He does.

A newly converted Christian may sin in many ways that he is not yet sensitive to. If the same person, after progressing in his sanctification for decades, could go back and see himself newly converted, he might then recognize many instances of sin which he was never aware of as a new Christian.


The closer we draw to God, the more aware of sin we become.

 

[pescador]

Not to be argumentative, but this does not say that they were not sinning before they knew of God's commands. It simply means they were not held responsible for sins they committed in ignorance.

If we had full knowledge, we would all realize that we very frequently sin in ignorance.

This is another reason why sin is not a purely legal contract. God can simply forgive/overlook if we sin in ignorance, and frequently He does.

A newly converted Christian may sin in many ways that he is not yet sensitive to. If the same person, after progressing in his sanctification for decades, could go back and see himself newly converted, he might then recognize many instances of sin which he was never aware of as a new Christian.


The closer we draw to God, the more aware of sin we become.

There is one error here. You said, "God can simply forgive/overlook if we sin in ignorance, and frequently He does." He always forgives/overlooks all sins committed in ignorance.

"For if we deliberately keep on sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins is left for us" Hebrews 10:26

 

[~Anastasia~]

There is one error here. You said, "God can simply forgive/overlook if we sin in ignorance, and frequently He does." He always forgives/overlooks all sins committed in ignorance.

"For if we deliberately keep on sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins is left for us" Hebrews 10:26

Essentially I will agree with you.

I wasn't coming at it from the angle of "what percentage of sins in ignorance does God forgive?" but my point was essentially that we often are forgiven for sins we are unaware of having committed. Please forgive me for not being clear with that, and thank you for pointing out how it sounded.

I'm a little uncomfortable with quantifying God's forgiveness, but as I said, I will essentially agree with you, with the additional statement that this isn't the full equation - we must also accept God's forgiveness.

We might fail to do so for various reasons. In the case of sins committed in ignorance, it can be an unwillingness to accept God's view of our deed/word/thought (or lack of) as being sin at all. But that is a matter for the judgement.

Peace to you.

 

[Ron Gurley]

Please define:
SIN + SIN(S) + SIN NATURE + "positional sin" + "active sinning" + "unknowing sinning".

Q1: Sin is a "personal contract (?)" between you and God.
A1: God hates sin. God loves sinners

Q2: OTHERS do not sin.
A2: All fall short of the perfection of God. Sin separates God from Man.

Q3: You do
A3: Mea Culpa

 

[JRichard68]

Only if you hate scripture. I have my concerns, but most of it is holding up.

James 4:17
Therefore, whoever knows the right thing to do, yet fails to do it, is guilty of sin.

John 9:41
"If you were blind," Jesus replied, "you would not be guilty of sin. But since you claim you can see, your guilt remains."

2 Peter 2:21
It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and turned away from the holy commandment passed on to them.

John 15:24
If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have seen and hated both Me and My Father.

Okay, looking past the little jab, lets work this out.

Person "A"says "the right thing to do, and the thing I see (since I am not blind) is that it's okay to live with my girlfriend before marriage. I know that some say there are prohibitions against this in scripture, but this was cultural at the time, and we have moved beyond that. Therefore, I have not sinned".

Person "B" says "you know, engaging in homosexual acts really isn't sin. The bible might or might not have anything to say about it - I don't know. Some people say it does, but they are narrow minded, and my Pastor says they're wrong anyway. Therefore I have not sinned".

Person "C" says "My husband/wife has abandoned me and my marriage. He/she has gone off to be with his/her 'lover'. Paul says the spouse is "not bound" in such a situation, so I am free to divorce and re-marry. I have not sinned".

Now if we look at these scenarios, there are so many opinions about all of them, we could flood CF with so many new threads we couldn't keep up. And (I'm sure) we could count on folks throwing scripture about in isolation, and throwing flames around about "hating the bible" because we don't know how to use our brains to have a real discussion.

But this "personal contract" stuff is just more nonsense that isolates us from the accountability of the whole.

 

[JRichard68]

Still, it remains your personal opinion that they are sinning.
And the only suggested action is, you praying.

BZZZZZT! Wrong again, but thanks for playing.

"Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault (sin), ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted" (Ga. 6:1).

 

[Ron Gurley]

tickle: Please answer post # 28.

"SINNERS" : DEFINED!

Psalm 1:1 (ALL NASB)
How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked,
Nor stand in the path of sinners,
Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!

of sinners...Hebrew 2400...chatta'...
III.exposed to condemnation, reckoned as offenders
a criminal, or ONE accounted guilty:—offender, sinful

Matthew 9:10-11,13
Then it happened that as [fn]Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and [fn]sinners came

and were dining with Jesus and His disciples.
When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples,
“Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?”
“But go and learn what this means: ‘I DESIRE [fn]COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,'
for I did not come to CALL the righteous, but sinners.”

sinners...Greek 268...hamartōlos...I.devoted to sin...A.not free from sin...sinful

sinner (NOUN)= DICTIONARY
a PERSON who transgresses against divine law by committing an immoral act or acts.
synonyms: wrongdoer · evildoer · transgressor · miscreant · offender · criminal · trespasser

SINNER = ONE WHO SINS!

Psalm 25:18
Look upon my affliction and my trouble, And forgive all my sins.

BELIEVERS receive forgiveness of sins as a benefit of salvation.
UN-BELIEVERS DO NOT!

Acts 10:43
Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name
everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.”

ROMANS 3:
21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested,
being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe;
for there is no distinction;
23 for all have sinned (ARE SINNERS!) and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith.

1 Timothy 1:15
It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners,
among whom I am foremost of all.

1 John 1
5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you,
that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have FELLOWSHIP with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;
7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light,
we have FELLOWSHIP with "one another",(BELIEVERS)
>>>and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.<<<
8 If we say that we have no sin (AFTER SALVATION),
we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
>>>9 If we CONFESS (agree with God about) our sins,
He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.<<<
10 If we say that we have not sinned (AFTER SALVATION), we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

 

[SkyWriting]

Please define:
SIN + SIN(S) + SIN NATURE + "positional sin" + "active sinning" + "unknowing sinning".

Q1: Sin is a "personal contract (?)" between you and God.
A1: God hates sin. God loves sinners

Q2: OTHERS do not sin.
A2: All fall short of the perfection of God. Sin separates God from Man.

Q3: You do
A3: Mea Culpa

No scripture to respond to here.

 

[SkyWriting]

tickle: Please answer post # 28.

"SINNERS" : DEFINED!

Psalm 1:1 (ALL NASB)
How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked,
Nor stand in the path of sinners,
Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!

of sinners...Hebrew 2400...chatta'...
III.exposed to condemnation, reckoned as offenders
a criminal, or ONE accounted guilty:—offender, sinful

Matthew 9:10-11,13
Then it happened that as [fn]Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and [fn]sinners came

and were dining with Jesus and His disciples.
When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples,
“Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?”
“But go and learn what this means: ‘I DESIRE [fn]COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,'
for I did not come to CALL the righteous, but sinners.”

sinners...Greek 268...hamartōlos...I.devoted to sin...A.not free from sin...sinful

sinner (NOUN)= DICTIONARY
a PERSON who transgresses against divine law by committing an immoral act or acts.
synonyms: wrongdoer · evildoer · transgressor · miscreant · offender · criminal · trespasser

SINNER = ONE WHO SINS!

Psalm 25:18
Look upon my affliction and my trouble, And forgive all my sins.

BELIEVERS receive forgiveness of sins as a benefit of salvation.
UN-BELIEVERS DO NOT!

Acts 10:43
Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name
everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.”

ROMANS 3:
21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested,
being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe;
for there is no distinction;
23 for all have sinned (ARE SINNERS!) and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith.

1 Timothy 1:15
It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners,
among whom I am foremost of all.

1 John 1
5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you,
that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have FELLOWSHIP with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;
7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light,
we have FELLOWSHIP with "one another",(BELIEVERS)
>>>and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.<<<
8 If we say that we have no sin (AFTER SALVATION),
we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
>>>9 If we CONFESS (agree with God about) our sins,
He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.<<<
10 If we say that we have not sinned (AFTER SALVATION), we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

We will always remain in a sin condition till we are with God.
We can choose to treat others well.
This is the narrow gate to heaven.

 

[JRichard68]

We can choose to treat others well.
This is the narrow gate to heaven.

No scripture to respond to here.

And, btw, what about this post:
Sin is a personal contract between you and God. OTHERS do not sin. You do.

And this:
Sin is a personal contract between you and God. OTHERS do not sin. You do.

 

[SkyWriting]

No scripture to respond to here.

And, btw, what about this post:
Sin is a personal contract between you and God. OTHERS do not sin. You do.

Not everyone reads or can research.

In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you.
For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets. Enter through the narrow gate.
For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.