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Of course which is why they record Him claiming He is.He was written about because some people believed he was the Messiah, of course.
But based on what? The Bible account has Barabbas released and the Roman governor Pilate not able to see fault with Jesus.Personally I'm of the opinion that Jesus died because the Romans thought he might start a Jewish revolution, not because he thought he was God.
To Cantata,
Of course which is why they record Him claiming He is.
But based on what? The Bible account has Barabbas released and the Roman governor Pilate not able to see fault with Jesus.
But they didn’t execute Him because for blasphemy according to the Biblical testimony they crucified Him because the Jews wanted Him crucified instead of Barabbas who was the Jewish revolutionary, yet you said the Romans thought He might start a revolution. So what you are saying is, you don’t believe the Biblical accounts of Pilate and the Romans because you don’t believe the disciples accounts of who He claimed He was. It seems your belief is everythi ng opposite to what the Bible says.Based on the fact that the Romans wouldn't execute someone for blasphemy against the Jewish faith.
But they didnt execute Him because for blasphemy according to the Biblical testimony they crucified Him because the Jews wanted Him crucified instead of Barabbas who was the Jewish revolutionary, yet you said the Romans thought He might start a revolution. So what you are saying is, you dont believe the Biblical accounts of Pilate and the Romans because you dont believe the disciples accounts of who He claimed He was. It seems your belief is everythi ng opposite to what the Bible says.Based on the fact that the Romans wouldn't execute someone for blasphemy against the Jewish faith.
So what made them think He was the messiah if they merely wrote they thought He was?
But they didnt execute Him because for blasphemy according to the Biblical testimony they crucified Him because the Jews wanted Him crucified instead of Barabbas who was the Jewish revolutionary, yet you said the Romans thought He might start a revolution. So what you are saying is, you dont believe the Biblical accounts of Pilate and the Romans because you dont believe the disciples accounts of who He claimed He was. It seems your belief is everythi ng opposite to what the Bible says.
What do you mean by heaven? I would suggest ‘Heaven’ is a Biblical concept. Paradise is more a general concept.Heaven knows. People believe some crazy things.
But what makes you believe something opposite to it?Hate to break it to you, but just because something is written in the Bible doesn't mean I'm obliged to believe it.
I don’t think they did, the Bible says that the Jewish leaders and temple guards arrested Him. How do you suppose it was the Romans when you weren’t even there?Why do you think the Romans arrested Jesus?
To Cantata,
What do you mean by heaven? I would suggest ‘Heaven’ is a Biblical concept. Paradise is more a general concept.
But what makes you believe something opposite to it?
I don’t think they did, the Bible says that the Jewish leaders and temple guards arrested Him. How do you suppose it was the Romans when you weren’t even there?
The Jewish people never used Crucifiction as a form of punishment. The Romans, however, Crucified thousands of Jews, including Jesus. The Pharisees had no sway with Rome, and Rome claimed ownership and rulership over the all of the areas where Jesus lived and traveled. Since Jesus died by Crucifiction, it had to be Rome that killed Him.I dont think they did, the Bible says that the Jewish leaders and temple guards arrested Him. How do you suppose it was the Romans when you werent even there?
I simply don't see a good reason for the Romans to have bothered with executing Jesus (especially if, as you think, it was politically awkward) unless they had some motive for doing so.
Can you not see the value, as far as the gospel writers were concerned, of portraying the Jews as responsible for Jesus' death, and portraying his teaching and his status as Messiah as the reason for his execution? It is hardly surprising that Mark was at pains to argue that Jesus was not a political messiah, since Mark was writing prior to the Roman-Jewish war and presumably didn't want to stir up any trouble. Painting Jesus as an entirely Jewish concern with only spiritual revolution in mind makes sense from Mark's point of view.
It was politically awkward for Pilate *not* to execute Him as well.
Pilate was a ruthless b*****d. He executed thousands. If he could see it as causing even a moment's less hassle for himself, I think he would execute a Jewish peasant without batting an eyelid.
The Gospel writers portrayed the reason for Jesus' execution as blasphemy, not His claim to be the messiah.
The other message that is even more clear though is that Jesus had to die for the redemption of the people. He is portrayed as the perfect sacrifice, the spotless Passover lamb whose sacrifice would end all sacrifice and reconcile man and God. That He had to die was the important thing, who was responsible for the death was mankind, anything else was of little relevance.
The other Gospels were written after the Roman Jewish war and none of these portray Jesus as a political messiah either.
If Jesus were simply a political messiah, He was a failure and the Gospel writers must have made almost the whole thing up. Why would they bother? What was their motivation?
He is not portrayed as being tried for blasphemy by Pilate.
He is handed over to Pilate by the Sanhedrin "We have a law and according to that law He must die".
Pilate doesn't like that idea very much so the sanhedrin change their tack, "He says He is the king of the Jews, we have no king but Caesar. If you don't kill him, you're no friend of Caesar".
Pilate's not overly keen still. This is all a drag to him.
Let's see what the people think, if it makes them happy, kill Him, if not let Him live.
The crowd is very disappointed with Jesus by now. Many of them too think He should be a political messiah. They are unanimous in their call for His death.
NOW Pilate is interested. He is, after all, a politician. We don't want an agry mob hanging round Jerusalem over Passover. You know how these Jews can get over their religion.
Pilate had Him executed.
Jesus' "blasphemy" was His claim to be the Son of God.
I think it is *very* obvious that He is portrayed as the atoning sacrifice.
It's even more obvious in those letters of Paul that pre-date the writing of the first Gospel that this was how He was perceived in the first 20 years following His death.
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