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Showtime Religion

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by LoveofTruth, Dec 23, 2017.

  1. LoveofTruth

    LoveofTruth Christ builds His church from within us


    Another hinderance to God's order is the showtime atmosphere, with programs, ushers, superstars, rehearsed messages, actors, singers, movies, slide shows, floodlights, collections, applause, etc. This is not the Spirit led gatherings of the body where all can wait on The Lord for all things and minister to one another. God’s order is hinderd by these type of things in the church.

    The modern culture of today has influenced many assemblies and has taken over the order.

    If we compare most elements in the churches today with showtime we will see clearly the similarities,

    Consider the similarity to many gatherings today,

    1. Showtime has its huge decorated theaters where all sit facing forward for the show to watch the actors on stage. Many religious buildings are like this as well, some even use old theaters for their gatherings and all sit facing forward for the show (or as it is called, the “sermon” or “service” or "program"). These places are unbiblically call “Churches”, “the house of God”, “temples” and “sanctuaries”.

    2. Showtime religion has its, floodlight, stage lighting and dim lighting. This is similar in many meetings halls today. Some places even have spot lights on the minister on stage and special effects and colourful light shows.

    3. Showtime has its ushers who greet people, show people to the seats and collect tickets. Many gatherings today have their ushers and they greet and collect money from the people.

    4. Showtime has its famous superstars who have their pictures in large frames in the lobby and their names in lights on signs and huge crowds come to see them. Many Christian meetings have thier famous men in pictures in the lobby, and who draw many after them . They have their names on large posters and in lights at times for certain meetings. They also have some of their men in pictures in the halls and openings of their buildings.

    5. Showtime has its’s programs that are handed out and all the show is on a time frame and schedule. Many gatherings today have their programs also, written up with evey moment in their order layed out, from their announcements, songs, colleections, sermons and final closing. And they are also on a tight time schedule often. Where is Christ on these programs? And where is the rest of the body in these programs?

    6. Showtime has its singers and musical superstars. Many assemblies have this also, with specific song leaders, or guest singers. There is even concerts and money charged. Some singers and ministers sell the tapes after the show. All this is showtime. In scripture we never read of a song leader in the New Testament. Christ sings praise to God through the believers and ”By him “ we offer the sacrifice of praise (Hebrews 2). And as Paul said all believers are to “let the word of Christ dwell in you richly..in psams and hymsn and spiritual songs (Colossians 3:16). This all comes from the word of Christ dwelling in us and as we are in the Spirit.

    7. Showtime has its movies and slide show presentations. Many assemblies have this also, some meetings are fully laid out with a slide show teaching by the one man minister. While such teaching may be fine for a classroom instruction, in the church we are to be led by God and not just in such a program slide show. If a believer is led to show a slide show of certain things, this is as the body is open to it and this does not hinder others from sharing. But when a minister has the same slide show format every week, and noone is able to function in the body, this is wrong.

    8. Showtime has it’s actors, who reherse their words and perform for pay. In many assemblies, ministers have rehersed sermons and they get paid a regular salary for a good message and continual ministry. And when some ministers perform the first sermon, they do the exact same one at the next "service” at 11:00. Sometimes they even use the same expressions and body jestures in their performance. This is not the body life under Christ headship leading us. This is not the order we see in scripture for the church. Many are hindered by this acting and performance and pretence.

    9. Showtime has its audiences, who just sit in the pews or chairs, and watch the show. Most gatherings have their audiences who just sit in the pews or chairs and watch the show, they are seldom on the program and seldom able to function in the gatherings. This is contrary to the ministry of the body in the church and to many scriptures that speak of mutual edification (1 Cor 14:26-38, 1 peter 4:10,11, Colossians 3:15,16, 1 Cor 12, Romans 12:1-8 1 Thess 5;11 etc)

    10. Showtime has its applause for a good performance and praise of men exalting certain men above the rest. Many assemblies have applause also for the ministers words or for singer, and entertainment and exalted men above the rest.

    As believers in Christ none of us want to be playing church or caught up in a pretension and bound under a fleshly show. I exhort all to consider these things .

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  2. Sketcher

    Sketcher Born Imperishable

    So, what exactly is the problem with rehearsing messages? Teaching the word of God is a very serious thing (James 3:1), you want to make sure you are doing justice to the word that God is having you preach (Colossians 4:4).
  3. LoveofTruth

    LoveofTruth Christ builds His church from within us

    In the body of Christ a teacher is a gift from God and yes those who teach should teach others . But they must teach in a way that is free for all to be able to Minister their gifts and that allows body to edify itself under Christ headship and work within them (Ephesuans 5:15,16) .

    This is done as we all wait on God for his leading . Elders and teachers etc should be continually studying and growing in the knowledge of Christ and the word will be rich in those who teach. They don’t have to prearrange a whole message and prearrange it, though collecting a few verses is not a hindrance when they are needed. The revelation and understanding of the word should already be with them or else how can they teach? If men want to take other men’s words and collect bits from here and there yet they themselves have not the understanding this is not to minister in their gift as they should. Yes we can all learn from other believers . But we can only speak from what we know.

    If men want to gather as the church and listen to a precarranged message they can fight a print out of it somewhere and read it. What is the difference.

    But I am talking about the scriptural commands of every believer waiting on God for speaking or ministry and for a sense of leading. Paul says to wait on our ministry or teaching Romans 12 and when we all come together every one of us can have something from God and be free to share it 1 Cor 14:26-38. Peter also mentions the kind of speaking we are to do in 1 Peter 4:10,11.

    But if you have one man at the front called the pastor who alone is able to freely speak and he has a prearranged message that he timed to end in a half hour or so this an quench the spirit and hinder body ministry as we all wait on the Lord.

    Paul told the Colossians to let the Word of Christ dwell in them richly teaching and admonishing one another. Even though teaching is different than prophesying there still needs to be a waiting on the Lord element and letting his word and peace govern us .all those who are led by the Spirit are the Sons of God.

    And all things that any believer knows , even teachers have been given by God and his anointing in us 1 John 2:27.

    I am speaking specifically of church gatherings where we wait in the Lord. Other times believers can study the word together in many ways.

    So here’s an example, if I am I a meeting and waiting on the Lord and someone reads a scripture impressed to them about justification. As I wait on the Lord for leading he may call me to share and teach the things he already taught me before. And do I do and I teach the word. I don’t need to orecartange it if I truly understand it and have been taught by the Lord. This is different than prophecy which is s immediate unction. I already had learned from the Lord and scripture a while back so now I bring my out of my treasure to help others.

    Also God has already instructed elders to feed the flock and they will regularly do this but still as they wait on the Lord. The different gifts in the body will come forth as we are all ministering in the grace of God

    This is done so that all can be led and wait in the Lord.

    Romans 12 - 3. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. 4. For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: 5. So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. 6. Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; 7. Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; 8. Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation:...”


    1 Corinthians 14 - 26. How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, everyone of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. 29. Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30. If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31. For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 36. What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37. If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.”

    1 Peter 4 - 10. As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. 11. If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. “

    1 John 2 - 27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. “ so we listen for the new man in Christ and as Christ works in believers to edify one another (Eph 4:16,16, Hebrews 13:20,21)
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  4. LoveofTruth

    LoveofTruth Christ builds His church from within us


    Colossians 3 - 17. And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.”

    To do all in word and deed “in the name of the Lord Jesus “ is a key. To do something in the name, is to do it in the character, authority, power life virtue of that one who is Jesus Christ. So when we speak or minister or do anything we pray that all is done in the leading of God in our hearts.

    In fact Jesus said that without him we can do nothing. In him our new man can do all things . That is if we are walking and living in the Spirit and led by the Spirit.

    We also read this

    Hebrews 13 - 20. Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21. Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.”

    Notice the part where it says God will make us perfect unto EVERY good work , working in us. This is the key to all life and ministry and all things in faith. God working in us to will and to do. If a man goes off in his flesh and carnal reasonings this will hinder the work of God in himself and in the body.

    Paul rebuke that kind of carnal ministry and professional speakers when he said,

    1 Corinthians 2 - 1. And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.... 4. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5. That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 6. Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:”
  5. Shempster

    Shempster ImJustMe Supporter

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    As a stage performer from a young age I must admit that Christian religious services often mirror secular performances. The service "show" is a system that plays on the human brain.
    First they create a sense of calmness using music and words of affirmation. Then the bar is raised with themes of elation. Next comes the "problem". For secular folks, it is about issues with relationships between a man and a woman. In religious circles, it is about the issue of sin and how bad humans are. A few words from the doctrine of total depravity get them in the right mood which creates feelings of guilt and shame.

    Afterwards, the solution is offered and feelings of bliss follow. A few words are offered that remind the listener that no matter how bad they actually are they are seen as good by God because of what they believe. The following feelings are real. Brain chemicals are released resulting in feelings of happiness and contentment, but the feelings are a temporary surge of dopamine and/or serotonin similar to a runners high or a heroin injection. This is what is meant by the notion that religion is the opiate of the people. This system can actually get people "high".

    This is just my opinion after attending thousands of performances both secular and religious. It is not meant to discredit anyone. It is just an observation.