Should you get free healthcare if you can't work? What about those who made themselves sick?

[szechuan]

To the capitalist, not "earning as much" is the same as a loss. I have had econ and accounting classes at university.

that doesn't change the fact that you they are charging more because of the U.K. or other countries.

If U.K. had the same prices you think drug prices will drop due to the kindness of Big Pharma?

 

[Zoii]

This is an interesting OP. Whether you support universal healthcare, or private healthcare, should there be a levy on those who deliberately contribute to their disease. The three top contributors being Obesity, smoking and alcoholism.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What rot. Are you suggesting that, as an Englishman, I only get free NHS healthcare because I'm subsidised by Americans?

Europe is quite capable of looking after itself thank you.

Europe's trade surplus with the U.S. can buy a lot of pills.

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c0003.html

 

[LionL]

Europe's trade surplus with the U.S. can buy a lot of pills.

That's capitalism for you.

 

[Targaryen]

Only in the US is this a legitimate question, cause Americans are brainwashed into thinking that healthcare is a commodity to be bought and sold.

 

[Kalevalatar]

Our constitution, Chapter 2 - Basic rights and liberties, Section 19 - The right to social security, clearly states that everyone shall be guaranteed to adequate social, health and medical services, regardless whatever. The right to life and human dignity forms the basis for all other rights, or you have nothing.

As a Christian, I will rather pay nine "underserving" "lazy" whathaveyou person's healthcare than have that one in desperate need to go without. If that's the price, it's a price I and my fellow citizens are willing to pay for the good of our community of people.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Only in the US is this a legitimate question, cause Americans are brainwashed into thinking that healthcare is a commodity to be bought and sold.

No brainwashing needed. Healthcare is a commodity to be bought and sold. Good health however is an individual choice.

 

[Rajni]

Can't quote for some reason but one person said something about cures. Its true, they will never really find a cure for anything, including cancer. Heck they may have cures already for somethings but have it locked away because at the end of the day if your company has meds out for some disease, you are beyond rich. If you release the cure you then become a company with no real money since your other meds become unneeded.

^This.

I wouldn’t be surprised to find that there’s already a cure for cancer. But peddling the
hype .hope is, evidently, far more lucrative. This unsettling thought crosses my mind when, as a cashier, I have to nag the customers at checkout for donations toward that cause.

-

 

[szechuan]

No brainwashing needed. Healthcare is a commodity to be bought and sold. Good health however is an individual choice.

Sorry it isn't in most countries. Good Health is not an Individual Choice whatsoever, did you forget Genetic Diseases? Cancer? rofl.

 

[Targaryen]

No brainwashing needed. Healthcare is a commodity to be bought and sold. Good health however is an individual choice.

Again, only in the US. Canada,the UK, the European countries, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and so on. People don't have to go bankrupt, or die or suffer less quality of care in order to get it. But you hardcore,blinded Americans don't get that. or you scream 'socialism" without understanding anything about how it works.

For an Old Wise Guy, you're not very wise.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Again, only in the US. Canada,the UK, the European countries, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and so on. People don't have to go bankrupt, or die or suffer less quality of care in order to get it. But you hardcore,blinded Americans don't get that. or you scream 'socialism" without understanding anything about how it works.

For an Old Wise Guy, you're not very wise.

Point out what I said that isn't true.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Sorry it isn't in most countries. Good Health is not an Individual Choice whatsoever, did you forget Genetic Diseases? Cancer? rofl.

Did I mention other countries?

If we have no choice regarding health why do our doctors, nutritionists, and others keep advising us to make better health choices, or is that just an cynical ploy to make us feel even more hopeless than we already do?

 

[Targaryen]

Point out what I said that isn't true.

How bout all of it isn't true? It's only the US that treats healthcare as if it's a commodity to be bought and sold, no one else in the industrialized world does this but the US.

Now try to pay attention.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

How bout all of it isn't true? It's only the US that treats healthcare as if it's a commodity to be bought and sold, no one else in the industrialized world does this but the US.

Now try to pay attention.

Newsflash pal, the topic is American healthcare. Read the OP.
You're filling the barrel with red herrings.

 

[Targaryen]

And if you read my original message, it's only the us, and myopic Americans like you that consider healthcare to be bought and sold to the highest bidder. Again, pay attention.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And if you read my original message, it's only the us, and myopic Americans like you that consider healthcare to be bought and sold to the highest bidder. Again, pay attention.

And if you read my original message, it's only the us, and myopic Americans like you that consider healthcare to be bought and sold to the highest bidder. Again, pay attention.

Healthcare is sold to any who can afford it, and would you please spare me the persistent ad hom sarcasm. You come off like a freaking jerk.

 

[Targaryen]

Healthcare is sold to any who can afford it, and would you please spare me the persistent ad hom sarcasm. You come off like a freaking jerk.

When you treat healthcare like commodity, you can't claim you are acting in the nation's best interests. Sorry you can't handle the truth but that's not my problem, is it?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

When you treat healthcare like commodity, you can't claim you are acting in the nation's best interests. Sorry you can't handle the truth but that's not my problem, is it?

Healthcare is a commodity, subject to the law of supply and demand. That's the truth here in America. I think you are beating me over the head with an 'ideal' that isn't going to materialize anytime soon.

 

[Targaryen]

Healthcare is a commodity, subject to the law of supply and demand. That's the truth here in America. I think you are beating me over the head with an 'ideal' that isn't going to materialize anytime soon.

It's only an ideal to those of you that refuse to actually apply some basic logic to the problem. Myopic attitudes toward the "commodity" as you want to describe it doesn't actually help the current situation Americans face, does it?

Gee, I wonder why?

 

[szechuan]

If we have no choice regarding health why do our doctors, nutritionists, and others keep advising us to make better health choices, or is that just an cynical ploy to make us feel even more hopeless than we already do?

Doctors are not Nutritionists, Nutritionists cost a lot of money more then going to see the doctor.

It's not a Cynical Ploy, you're talking about Healthy People living Unhealthy Lifestyles, I'm talking about Genetic Diseases and Cancer.