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Should the Vice President Recuse himself on January 3rd?

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by parousia70, Nov 7, 2018.

  1. redleghunter

    redleghunter Thank You Jesus! Supporter

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    What type of nation state and how large?
     
  2. parousia70

    parousia70 Livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Let's pretend it's simply a state... how about Rhode Island... That's a small one.

    How does size (population count) affect the general premise in your view?

    Is the correctness of the policy dependant on the size and or origin of the population that adheres to it, or is it either correct or incorrect regardless?
     
  3. No Swansong

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    Except that it is not a response to "Is it a sin". It is a response to your comment. "Wrong again. Biblical law supersedes laws of men. And the items sworn upon when the oath is made are no more meaningless than using a picture of your mother in promising fidelity to your wife would be."
     
  4. redleghunter

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    It’s based on the tax revenue. Having a large and working middle class allowed us to have Social Security and Medicare.

    Having something like universal health care for even those employed must be paid for from primarily the largest portion of the tax base which are middle income tax payers.

    The question becomes if the middle income families can even afford their own universal health care based on taxes levied on them.

    Many say the richer Americans can pay more. This is a true statement. However we are only going to get so much from a smaller section of that tax base. They tend to be the employers of the middle and lower income workers.

    As history shows companies just pass on transfer payments to the customer and end up curtailing labor. This is now more pronounced with advances in robotics as we see with Amazon cutting back on Holiday labor in favor for robotics.

    The key I believe to better healthcare for all is to have a large and healthy middle class. But this is usually the group that disappears when heavily taxed.

    Some of the noblest efforts ends up making things worse. Making less haves and more have nots. Venezuela is a good example of a chosen few who hold the keys to production while others suffer thus causing a crisis which creates economic refugees.

    So to answer your question, yes a state like Rhode Island could make such a move but in the short term as those who are taxed beyond their budgets and have to also in exchange pay higher premiums on universal care (due to making more than the poverty level) will just move to Texas or Florida where there are no state income taxes. And that has been going on now for over 10 years. The question is can you blame them? Can we also blame all people forming caravans from Central America wanting to come here because their nations which were socialist are now failed states.

    I think the best test would be a large state like California. I think they should be a testbed for universal health care. If it works there without federal aid then it might just work nationally. But I think it might not work as people who feel the pinch will just move elsewhere. And who can blame them? They would be paying more for less.

    And this is what happens when Caesar tries to be like Jesus.
     
  5. The Barbarian

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    Why not just see what other countries do that makes it work for them, at a much lower cost than we spend on privatized health care?
     
  6. parousia70

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  7. redleghunter

    redleghunter Thank You Jesus! Supporter

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    Which countries?
     
  8. PeaceByJesus

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    I see, yet it is relative to this being a matter of sin, for while you address
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    yet this presumes the VP would be looking at it from your point of view, and not, as explained, swearing in upon a book as signifying being bound to perform what he swore due to the authority of the document he uses to swear upon, versus this being meaningless.
     
  9. redleghunter

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    NY is probably the closest I would agree as they expand their medcaid programs.

    Yet another state bleeding electoral votes as people are leaving the state. As is the case in California. Why? Higher taxes pinching take home pay in high cost of living areas. I’m originally from NY. The middle class there is dying. Natives of the state when graduating college can’t afford to live in the state. They cannot even afford their own parents home if they chose to live in the same neighborhood they grew up in.
     
  10. PeaceByJesus

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    There is more than meets the eye in this issue: https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...-and-shrinking-states-closer-look/1019429001/
     
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  11. RestoreTheJoy

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    No. That is not the same. Pence is just performing a ritual that has nothing to do with his faith. The Koran means nothing to him.

    When you provide your artistic talents for weddings - as a Christian - presumably weddings do mean something in your faith. You would decline to provide your artistic talents for something that is not and cannot ever be a wedding in your faith, same as you would decline doing other events that violate your faith (baker declined Halloween events, divorce events, etc).
     
  12. PeaceByJesus

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    While some persons would swear upon their mother's grave and think nothing of its significance, yet swearing upon something is to signify recognition of the authority of it, and thus is enlisted to give weight to the affirmation, and is also akin to enlisting a witness to your oath. See post #21
    Yet many on CF (even a mod) have contended that even contracting to create a special work of art for the express known purpose of celebrating that which is unlawful in the light of Scripture (as well as the state constitution at the time) is not doing anything that should conflict with what one believes, or that he has no basis for refusing to provide this work, or reduce it to a simple cake.
     
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