Should The US Be Geographically Divided (One Half Pro-Abortion, One Half Pro-Life)

[Tanj]

I was thinking ahead on the companies moving to the states that their views aligned with. Alot of the people that support abortion are the same people who would defund the police. Once quality of life breaks down on that side people and companies may want to go to the side that protects their interests best. Thus a dystopian society will form and I would hope that the Pro-Life side would protect their country better - less crime, cleaner environment, better quality of life.

Then again, it could be the opposite but I would think the faithful would take care of their country and their people.

It's an interesting dark fantasy, I am particularly intrigued by your adamant assertion as to who gets the east bit and who gets the west bit. I look forward to the book.

 

[PloverWing]

A question of detail that has come to mind: There might be people in East Nation who choose to live there to keep their family intact, or who are born into East Nation, etc. Would you close the borders so that people cannot leave East Nation, to prevent people from travelling from East Nation to West Nation to get reproductive health care in the West? Or would people be free to migrate back and forth between the two nations?

 

[chad kincham]

It may happen anyway. Companies may find it increasingly difficult to get employees to work in red states. Two-Thirds of Employees Won’t Move to Texas After Abortion Law: Survey

also, remember that conservative laws don’t always reflect the opinions of the people in the state. Texas voters' views shifting on abortion, pot, gambling and Confederate monuments, poll finds It might be easier to get the Texas legislature to move.

The problem Texas has is all the democrats fleeing the blue states like California and NY, and coming to Texas, but then ignorantly voting for the same leftist values that they moved to Texas to escape the consequences of.

 

[chad kincham]

I too want Roe v Wade over turned but at the rate our country is going, it will be another 50 years with approximately another 60 million unborn dead. Thats alot of people. Serious times take serious actions.

Are you related to Mister Mxyzptlk by any chance?

 

[Hvizsgyak]

A question of detail that has come to mind: There might be people in East Nation who choose to live there to keep their family intact, or who are born into East Nation, etc. Would you close the borders so that people cannot leave East Nation, to prevent people from travelling from East Nation to West Nation to get reproductive health care in the West? Or would people be free to migrate back and forth between the two nations?

Open borders to all but remember there is free moving. To go from one home on one side to the next home on the other is all free. So bring the whole family if you want. You can live on whatever side you want but you must obey the country's law on abortion.

As for traveling from the one side to the other to get an abortion and then back, that is a very good question. We Christians believe in forgiveness so we'll have to handle each case on a one on one basis. If this is a common thing for a person - banishment to the other side that supports abortion.

 

[hedrick]

Can the liberal half stop subsidizing the conservative half?

 

[Hvizsgyak]

Are you related to Mister Mxyzptlk by any chance?

I'm trying to "buy a vowel" or two from the Wheel of Fortune to make the name more pronounceable.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

Can the liberal half stop subsidizing the conservative half?

I'm not following here; liberal actually subsidize conservatives: how, when, where, why?

 

[hedrick]

I'm not following here; liberal actually subsidize conservatives: how, when, where, why?

AP FACT CHECK: Blue high-tax states fund red low-tax states
although a writer in the Washington Post argues that that is a bit unfair. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/29/states-subsidize-america-coronavirus/#:~:text=Yes, blue and red states subsidize each other.,journalist and commentator on politics, gender and culture.

Of course this is intentional. Liberals are trying to help people, even if we have to pay for it. So we don’t actually have a problem with it. And of course the nominal cause is that liberal,states generally have higher per person incomes. Federal tax thus takes more, and more people in low income states qualify for benefits.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

AP FACT CHECK: Blue high-tax states fund red low-tax states
although a writer in the Washington Post argues that that is a bit unfair. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/29/states-subsidize-america-coronavirus/#:~:text=Yes, blue and red states subsidize each other.,journalist and commentator on politics, gender and culture.

Of course this is intentional. Liberals are trying to help people, even if we have to pay for it. So we don’t actually have a problem with it. And of course the nominal cause is that liberal,states generally have higher per person incomes. Federal tax thus takes more, and more people in low income states qualify for benefits.

Very interesting observation. Even though I have somewhat conservative views, when it comes to paying the worker his/her just due, workers deserve alot more than what they are getting paid now. By forcing all companies (with 500 people and more) to pay their workers a better wage, there should be that much subsidizing then.

I see the argument there. Republicans are stingy and crafty alot.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

Opinion | A Surprising Share of Americans Want to Break Up the Country. Here’s Why They’re Wrong. (msn.com)

Well, I don't think they are wrong. People are tired of others aggressively opposing common sense. It doesn't matter how well you articulate your common sense position, opponents don't want anything to do with it. I don't expect anyone to totally agree with others but there's a difference between disagreeing on what one likes to eat, what's one's favorite color, how much money should we spend on infrastructure, how much should minimum wage be AND should we protect this unborn child at all costs or should we let the mother decide the unborn child's fate.

I don't want to be publicly associated with people who are willing to murder a child in the womb (and I really don't mean the other victim in abortion, the mother; I mean all these advocates for abortion who feel it's a woman's right).

I know this is probably not going to happen within the next 50-60 years or longer but the spark is getting bigger.

 

[Tanj]

Open borders to all but remember there is free moving.

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banishment to the other side that supports abortion.

Could you explain a bit more about free movement and banishment? How does that work?

 

[Desk trauma]

I'm not following here; liberal actually subsidize conservatives: how, when, where, why?

By having the bulk, 70 some percent, of economic activity take place in liberal areas and large wealthy liberal states paying more into federal coffers than they receive back.

California is the reason we can afford things like Mississippi.

 

[Gene2memE]

Abortion has been legal now for almost 50 years. ... So if pro-abortionists want to feel like they have control of there body, then they can live in the left side of the US and if pro-lifers want to feel like they don't live in a country that supports the killing of the unborn, then they can live in the right side of the US.

There are dumb ideas, and then there's this.

Support for legal abortion is widespread across the US, and there are no hard geographic divisions between areas that support abortion and areas that don't. There are significant variations within states and within counties.

A majority of Americans support legal abortions. Depending on the survey, somewhere between 60% and 80% of the US supports legal abortion in either all cases or some cases.

A small minority of Americans support banning abortion. Depending on the survey, somewhere between 15% and 25% of Americans think abortion should be illegal in all cases.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

There are dumb ideas, and then there's this.

Support for legal abortion is widespread across the US, and there are no hard geographic divisions between areas that support abortion and areas that don't. There are significant variations within states and within counties.

A majority of Americans support legal abortions. Depending on the survey, somewhere between 60% and 80% of the US supports legal abortion in either all cases or some cases.

A small minority of Americans support banning abortion. Depending on the survey, somewhere between 15% and 25% of Americans think abortion should be illegal in all cases.

If you look at those surveys, they all scoot the part where Americans feel there should be restrictions on abortions. So these polls are incomplete. And if you look at the ages of the people who mostly do feel restrictions should apply to abortions, they older, wiser and smarter.

Abortion | Gallup Historical Trends

Check the bottom of the article, there is where you will find the number of people who feel there should be restrictions.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

By having the bulk, 70 some percent, of economic activity take place in liberal areas and large wealthy liberal states paying more into federal coffers than they receive back.

California is the reason we can afford things like Mississippi.

Good point; I see where you are coming from. Thanks. But I still favor splitting the country peacefully before it leads to something worse. There is no changing minds on both sides.

 

[Desk trauma]

But I still favor splitting the country peacefully ...

How?

 

[Hvizsgyak]

Could you explain a bit more about free movement and banishment? How does that work?

You are banished for asking that question. See how it works. As you can see the survey did not give good results in favor of splitting the country in two so all plans have been tossed in the garbage. Maybe someday, I'll write a book on it.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

How?

From the looks of it (the survey) I still have alot of politicking to do. As I said in the other post though plans have been tossed out due to inclement approval. God Bless.

 

[Tanj]

You are banished for asking that question. See how it works.

Badly, it would appear. Given I am still here.

As you can see the survey did not give good results in favor of splitting the country in two so all plans have been tossed in the garbage. Maybe someday, I'll write a book on it.

Perhaps go North/South rather than East/West. Less people will have to move, both countries will have access to both oceans, and its has historical precedent.