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Featured Should the Ayatollahs be targeted?

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by mukk_in, Jun 25, 2019.

  1. redleghunter

    redleghunter Thank You Jesus! Supporter

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    It only cost the US $220M to institute severe sanctions? Don't know...maybe Trump sees this as an investment.
     
  2. redleghunter

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    It is interesting the media was in an uproar when the Carrier Strike Group (CSG) entered the Persian Gulf. The media theme was "Trump is going to start a war." When Iran fires the first shot, the US President shows restraint. Now the media theme is "Trump backed down from Iranian aggression, and we lost money." You can't make this stuff up. ^_^
     
  3. seeking.IAM

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    And He shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:4

    or

    "...thy will be done in earth as it is in Heaven" Matthew 6:10
     
  4. timewerx

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    It's probably time for reaping. You reap what you sow. The Capitalistic machinery of the Europeans is mostly driven by lands and resources they violently stole from others.

    The only way to "repair" this sin is tear down the walls. You don't own the lands. God gave them to everyone for free until Europeans took them for themselves and sold them for profit.
     
  5. DanishLutheran

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    Because I recognize that I am also the product of a culture, a heritage, a nation and a people with more than a thousand years of history, and treasuring your roots and background is part and parcel of being human.

    This is how it is:
    God, Queen and Country. In that order.

    There's no way that's going to happen in my grandson's lifetime. Maybe HIS grandson's.

    Hate to break it to you, but in case you aren't able to figure this out on your own, I need to spell it out:
    If Sweden hadn't rebelled against its rightful king, then neither Ikea nor Legoland would have been around. And you can shove your patronizing description of my country under the couch.
     
  6. Wrangler

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    No one deserves a democracy! The real American revolution was to replace monarchies around the world with republics. A democracy is a lamb and 2 wolves voting on what to have for dinner. A republic is a well armed lamb, contesting the vote. Our republic is based on individual freedom and minimum government.

    A pure Democracy, by which I mean a Society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the Government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of Government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party, or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is, that such Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives, as they have been violent in their deaths.
    James Madison, Federalist #10

    Islam is the scourge of the human condition for the last 1400 years. Iran in the 1970's was Westernized and modernized. It is not the people but the Supremacist, Expansionist, totalitarian ideology of Islam that is the bane of humanity. Truly the religion of Satan. See video on line by John MacArthur who explores this fully.
     
  7. Wrangler

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    Totally untrue! That is SJW indoctrination.

    Roads, bridges and commerce in Africa built by the British have all deteriorated since they left the Dark Continent. Capitalism liberates people, which explains why the most capitalist countries not only have the highest living standards around the world, they also have the cleanest air, water and highest life expectancies.

    The Leftist multi-national corporate globalists, who took control of education decades ago, taught "crony Capitalism" is to blame when it is really "crony Socialism" that destroys. See Venezuela.
     
  8. timewerx

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    I'm not saying all capitalism is evil. It only becomes evil if the original capital was stolen from people or gained through deceit.

    The only good capitalism is that it came from hard work at your own expense, not at the expense of others (you did not exploit, nor deceived anyone).
     
  9. mukk_in

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    I disagree. Everyone deserves liberty. We're made in the image of God and have the same right to choose, even hell. I won't get into a free will debate, as that's not the purpose of this thread. Pastor McArthur is a good Pastor, but I disagree with him on this issue.
     
  10. redleghunter

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    Europeans stole land from themselves?
     
  11. Robin Mauro

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    The "international waters" you mentioned is disputed by Iran.
    I have yet to hear of anything Iran has actually done against us.
    I do know that it is a fact that Trump withdrew the U.S. form the nuclear deal, which although not perfect, kept Iran from enriching uranium.
    This is no way to negotiate. If Trump were actually interested in negotiation, he should have worked with Iran rather than withdraw completely from the treaty.
    It seems to me it is the U.S. who are the aggressors in this situation.
    And the U.S. friendship with Saudi Arabia is nothing short of appalling.
    The U.S.government is hypocritical and deceitful when it comes to the middle east..
     
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  12. timewerx

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    I agree. I used to think that Trump is better than Hillary for being less friendly with Saudi Arabia.

    This is a good example to show that political candidates have largely the same agenda.

    It's hard to get to the top, unless you can play "dirty" and love money.... A man or woman who cannot be bought with money is a very dangerous one to the established status quo.

    It goes to show what choices we are given is very limited if you play "by the rules". You're simply trying to pick the lesser evil.

    That's not freedom if the choices are deliberately designed to be limited. What you have is only an illusion of free will.
     
  13. redleghunter

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    Of course they would dispute internationally recognized sea lanes and airspace. Iran says they own it, international law says they don't.
    They did shoot down one of our UAS in international airspace. They also continued to fund and train Hamas and Hezbollah. They also continue to manufacture IEDs which end up maiming or killing Americans. Not to mention they stormed our embassy and kept Americans hostage there for 444 days under Jimmy Carter.
    We really don't know as the nuclear 'deal' omitted many military installations from IAEA inspectors.
    Given the audience of the mullahs, it just might be the way to negotiate with them.
    That's a nice gesture but again look who we are dealing with. Obama made a deal with the mullahs who shout "death to America." Iran has not been interested in meeting with us to negotiate for over 40 years...just what they can hustle out of an appeasing West.
    Please cite the aggressions.
    I agree with you there. How many millions did the Clinton foundation get for 'humanitarian' purposes from the Saudi royal family?
    I think the facts show the current administration is continuing the relations with Saudi Arabia previous administrations shared. The Saudi Arabian monarchy are no saints that's to be sure. Only when someone mentions "Israel!" then the left flocks to defend them.

    The Middle East is diverse and most difficult to navigate. That has been the case for every US Administration. Engaging in diplomacy is a good thing. The door is wide open for Iran to join in diplomacy.
     
  14. timewerx

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    Not possible with USA friendly with the Gulf States. The Gulf States and Iran are bitter enemies.

    If USA became friends with Iran, it would alienate the Gulf STates. USA cannot be friends with both.
     
  15. seeking.IAM

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    I believe God has not ordained the United States to be the policeman to the world. And yet we try...if only to feed our military-industrial complex and to preserve our self-interests. War is one of our major exports. War employs a lot of people and feeds a lot of share holders. Money and oil.

    Call me a skeptic, but I suspect POTUS aborted the military response to Iran because he knows where that drone really was.
     
  16. redleghunter

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    The evidence says elsewise.
     
  17. seeking.IAM

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    Whose evidence?
     
  18. redleghunter

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    The actual air track of the drone.
     
  19. seeking.IAM

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    Haven't seen it. Have a link? And a link from a neutral source would be preferable.

    You gotta be able to trust .gov. Sorry, but I don't. I'm a child of the Viet Nam era when .gov repeatedly lied to the U.S. public about body counts and how the war was going in order to try to retain the public's support of the war effort. Just because it comes out of the Pentagon, doesn't make it true.
     
  20. Robin Mauro

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    We do know Trump withdrew from the nuclear deal... How you can claim otherwise is rather stunning...that old deniability stunt; all those other things you cited are disputable, but you obviously believe the Trump stance, and you had to go all the way back to Carter to cite an actual aggression (and wasn't Reagan involved in keeping the hostages there in order to get elected?); you blame the Clinton's foundation for receiving donations but I guess the U.S arms deal with Saudi Arabia, which is a real threat, unlike the Clinton foundation, is okay with you; almost everything Trump has done is aggressive.... Withdrawing from the nuclear deal said it all; and them being allowed to the table for "diplomacy" is a joke since Trump is the one who has taken the stance of a bully here.
    And no, I certainly don't flock to defend Israel, seeing how we armed them and they have no regard for the human, God-given rights of the Palestinians...the oppressed have become the oppressors.
    You seem to trust our government when we know they have repeatedly lied, from Viet Nam to the invasion of Iraq.
    But I am pretty sure that neither of us will be able to change the others viewpoint, and I grow weary of this world and all its duplicity, so God bless you, and may He lead us both into all truth, love for our brother no matter where he was born, and in paths of His righteousness for His Name's sake...
     
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