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Should Secession be an option?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Creech, Dec 9, 2012.

  1. Gxg (G²)

    Gxg (G²) Pilgrim/Monastic on the Road to God (Psalm 84:1-7) Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

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    :cool:

    Everyone wants to jump ship when times are bad.
     
  2. Gxg (G²)

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    Interesting. Mabye a new development in the ways commerce is done and negotiations?
     
  3. DrkSdBls

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    Actually, The Secessionists don't want anything Federally Pay for anyway so......

    No Highways, No Post Service, no Internet, etc....

    Yeah, I can't wait til Texas Bails out on America, only to realize that they no longer have Access to their Email. Or to Check their Porn! ^_^^_^^_^
     
  4. Gxg (G²)

    Gxg (G²) Pilgrim/Monastic on the Road to God (Psalm 84:1-7) Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

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    That's the point. Even in asking for nothing federally paid for, there are benefits people don't really consider will go away that are taken for granted - from nice development of roads/infrastructure and proper interstates to the use of the Postal Service system/mail and many other things. And the harm it'd do to others who DIDN'T secede and had to work around their new countries just to get things through would be a problem - on top of the failing infranstructre the new countries would have to deal with.
    God forbid they even remain concerned with pornagraphy - already destructive enough to the country on multiple levels. Human trafficking (fueled by porn) is enough of an issue - and Texas alongside others will need to address how to keep traffickers benefiting from the XXX industry out of the areas without more federal help.
     
  5. Gxg (G²)

    Gxg (G²) Pilgrim/Monastic on the Road to God (Psalm 84:1-7) Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

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    Then again - if choosing to become like Puerto Rico was as a commonwealth, there'd still be payments from the federal government - except with less representation.
     
  6. usexpat97

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    I think I might prefer no infrastructure over a corrupt one.
     
  7. Gxg (G²)

    Gxg (G²) Pilgrim/Monastic on the Road to God (Psalm 84:1-7) Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

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    One would think that corruption can be found with or without infrastructure - with the option for no infrastructure being mob rule.
     
  8. jgarden

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    Even if it were allowed politically, it would be an administrative "nightmare"

    Small pockets of successionists would constitute a continuous "revolving door" of individuals opting in or out to the Union depending on the results of federal, state and municipal elections at any given time.
     
  9. SoldierOfTheKing

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    Plenty of people outside of the US manage to have all of those things...

    Nothing is "federally paid for" as it is, anyway. The money all comes from the states.
     
  10. Manwë

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    See: Hamilton quote in signature.
     
  11. SnowCal

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    They pay taxes for them. Most of these place wanting to secede ain't wanting to do that. If the South secedes it'll turn into Mexico within a generation, or Greece.

    If California and New York pay far more in federal taxes than they recieve in federal spending, which they do, so that Alabama and South Carolina can recieve far more in spending than they pay in taxes, which they do, then yes things are federally paid for.

    Take out that constant flow of free money into your states by seceding and it's only a generation before you are Mexico or Greece. Good luck.
     
  12. USincognito

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    Texas actually gets more from the Feds than we send to Washington. There's also a number of medium sized cities that are largely dependant on military bases.

    This state is no Libertopia. As an atheist, you might find an Independant Texas less than welcoming.
     
  13. USincognito

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    The didn't. Freedmen fought for the Union.
     
  14. USincognito

    USincognito Stop QWERTYface! Supporter

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    {I know it's a logical fallacy but..}

    No one I know here does.

    {/so sue me}
     
  15. USincognito

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    I remember Rick McLaren back in the 90s. When the Texas Rangers came to help him find accomdations in Huntsville, he started calling out for help over his short wave radio asking, of all people, the U.N. to come to his aid.

    For those of us familiar with him and his NWO nuttiness, it was quite ironic.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas_(group)
     
  16. Gxg (G²)

    Gxg (G²) Pilgrim/Monastic on the Road to God (Psalm 84:1-7) Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

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    Can it go opposite due to being held afloat by dirty money/black market or other places outside of the U.S willing to support them?
     
  17. Panzerkamfwagen

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    Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri were slave states and fought (nominally) on the federal side, including raising regiments for the federals.
     
  18. DrkSdBls

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    Payed for by some Government.

    Nothing just 'Exists' without somebody, somewhere producing goods and an infrastructure to provide the masses with said goods.

    ^_^^_^^_^^_^ Good One! You almost had me going there for a moment.

    Oh, and if you were actually serious, states are Governements, by the way; Governments without the the means of self-sustainment. Right now there's isn't anything that the "State" provides that is not supported by the Federal Government.

    That's the Price you pay for living in this "Luxury." But hey, If you want to Reside to Through yourself back into the Dark Ages by throwing a Little Hissy-fit because you didn't get your way, Be Our Guest!
     
    Last edited: Dec 12, 2012
  19. DrkSdBls

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    But the Question was, were they Fighting to Maintain Slaverly or the Union?

    Just because they were Historically Slave states did not mean that they weren't inclined the do away with it if that's what the People Wanted. The fact they decided to Fight for the North meant that enough of them believed that giving up Slavery was the better option.
     
  20. Panzerkamfwagen

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    Why did Lincoln wait until 1863 to issue the Emancipation Proclamation?