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Should Progressives and Democratic Socialists form their own Party?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by TheBear, Dec 13, 2020.

  1. TheBear

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    I asked this question in another thread, but decided it needs a thread of it's own.

    Discuss....
     
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  2. High Fidelity

    High Fidelity Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I think it would be good if you gave your understanding and definition of what both of those things are.
     
  3. Tanj

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  4. Kentonio

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    Ideally the Trump lot would break off, leaving the moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats to team up, and leaving the progressives to form their own party. Then you could have a decent three way system.
     
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  5. Maria Billingsley

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    We already have those parties...they just carry no weight.

    Political Parties of the United States of America
     
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  6. SimplyMe

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    Except it tends to actually be a mix of moderate Republicans (with even some moderate Democrats, at least the white male union worker) and far-right Republicans that support Trump, from what I've seen. It is the "true" conservatives, from my view, that dislike Trump. Many still voted for Trump over the Democrats, but they'd love a true conservative party in place of what Trump is creating.

    Trump, despite lower taxes, has been shown to be a "big government" ruler that isn't particularly conservative.
     
  7. Mark Quayle

    Mark Quayle Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Why? They already have the Democrat Party.
     
  8. Fantine

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    When I lived in NY in the 1970's and 80's there was a very big "Right to Life" Party. They often endorsed mainstream candidates as long as they were 100% compliant with the only issue the party cared about. If they couldn't support any of the main candidates they would endorse someone. Sometimes they would have their own presidential candidate who was always pathetically unconcerned about any other issues. "How would you work towards nuclear disarmament?" "I believe that life begins at conception." I found that offensive. If you are running for president, no matter what ticket, at least spend time studying an issue that could threaten the existence of our very planet!

    My conservative friend said that the party served three purposes:
    1) It brought a candidate more votes from people who might not have voted for them otherwise.
    2) It made candidates commit to more than they might be comfortable with to garner those votes.
    3) It showed the 'big dawg' Republican Party how important it was that their members toe the line on abortion.

    And so yes, as a Democat, I would not mind a progressive party that was committed to putting Democratic candidates on the ballot who shared their ideology. That party, being smaller, might want to launch a few candidates if the regular Democratic candidates were completely unacceptable to them (perhaps Joe Manchin because he voted with Trump 53% of the time. Perhaps Diane Feinstein who, at 87, made a shameless display of congeniality in a situation where Justice Barrett should not even have been nominated--nor should anyone else have so close to the election.) It would push more Democrats into being more progressive--and if they had a primary challenge they would have another party fighting and pushing for them.

    The RTL Party was quite a force back in the day.

    New York State Right to Life Party - Wikipedia
     
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  9. Strathos

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    There are actually tons of insignificant political parties in the US that most of us have never heard of. There's one for every single ideology you could have, pretty much.
     
  10. Albion

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    The Socialist faction within the Democratic Party has been gaining ground so fast lately that it would be a mistake for them to break off now...and I'm sure that its leaders know this even if Biden turns out to be less inclined their way than his remarks during the campaign seemed to indicate.
     
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  11. Fantine

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    You mean Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders, and Bernie Sanders?
     
  12. The IbanezerScrooge

    The IbanezerScrooge I can't believe what I'm hearing...

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    This is why we need ranked choice voting. These third party candidates would have a better chance of actually being competitive running for office.
     
  13. essentialsaltes

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    No way. The GOP is fracturing, and all Democrats have to do is stick together and it'll be free marijuana and abortions for everyone.

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  14. Albion

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    That is the one result of going to Ranked Choice which might be considered a positive. The third parties certainly think of it that way, so they're all for it. But then it's necessary for everyone else to consider the downside...and there certainly is one.
     
  15. The IbanezerScrooge

    The IbanezerScrooge I can't believe what I'm hearing...

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    Go on...
     
  16. Albion

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    Pls see posts 34 and 36 of the thread entitled "ONE PARTY RULE."
     
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