Should oppressed groups just "get over it" meaning oppression?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Their meat prices are amazing. Boneless ribeye at 8.99.

What's amazing about that ?
It is out of reach for most of us.(common people)
(YHWH provides other though, very well too).

 

[Lik3]

Should oppressed groups just "get over it" meaning oppression?


You mean like the oppressed people of Haiti who have been crying out for justice, after being silenced for so long?

Should the people of Haiti just "get over it"?

With all of the money being sent by average citizens to rebuild Haiti, it should have been accomplished. I believe that Haiti has been long oppressed because it is one of several nations and entities (especially because they are black) that kicked French booty, including Mexico. Correct me if I am wrong. Anyways, the money goes to the Red Cross, which is corrupt into itself. Money sent to the Red Cross should have gone directly to not only Haiti, but to parts of the Southern US, namely because of Hurricane Katrina.

No, the Haitians should not get over it as it was once was a wealthier nation that have all but have most of their power, money, and autonomy all but taken and destroyed by US policy and French revenge. It doesn't hurt that much that has happened with Haiti is also quite recent, but it doesn't matter; there is no way anyone should just get over what happened to anyone, whether they are African, American, Jewish, Irish (I read how badly the English treated and viewed them), or An Australian Aborigine. That was my point all along. As a black American, I am not sure if reparations in the form of financial compensation on a mass scale to us will benefit us as much as it would benefit say, the Haitians. Correct me if I am wrong as I am no historian.

 

[brinny]

With all of the money being sent by average citizens to rebuild Haiti, it should have been accomplished. I believe that Haiti has been long oppressed because it is one of several nations and entities (especially because they are black) that kicked French booty, including Mexico. Correct me if I am wrong. Anyways, the money goes to the Red Cross, which is corrupt into itself. Money sent to the Red Cross should have gone directly to not only Haiti, but to parts of the Southern US, namely because of Hurricane Katrina.

No, the Haitians should not get over it as it was once was a wealthier nation that have all but have most of their power, money, and autonomy all but taken and destroyed by US policy and French revenge. It doesn't hurt that much that has happened with Haiti is also quite recent, but it doesn't matter; there is no way anyone should just get over what happened to anyone, whether they are African, American, Jewish, Irish (I read how badly the English treated and viewed them), or An Australian Aborigine. That was my point all along. As a black American, I am not sure if reparations in the form of financial compensation on a mass scale to us will benefit us as much as it would benefit say, the Haitians. Correct me if I am wrong as I am no historian.

The Clinton's were campaigning, so to speak, for donations to help the Haiti people after the devastating earthquake in 2010.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

With all of the money being sent by average citizens to rebuild Haiti, it should have been accomplished. I believe that Haiti has been long oppressed because it is one of several nations and entities (especially because they are black) that kicked French booty, including Mexico. Correct me if I am wrong.

We will have to connect some other place then.
Yes, you're wrong, but it steps on too many political toes to even try to show how on this forum. (they get vicious)

As a black American, I am not sure if reparations in the form of financial compensation on a mass scale to us will benefit us as much as it would benefit say, the Haitians. Correct me if I am wrong as I am no historian.

Again, but perhaps a little.
It is difficult to see if it would benefit you ("us") in the usa,
since
most everything the government or others have dumped , poured, allotted BILLIONS of dollars to
got worse every day after that. (including education, jobs, etc).... (yes, even disability, retirements, medical institutions, etc etc etc)
i.e. the government is not able to 'help' in a good way, the way they work the last hundred years at least.

 

[Dave-W]

The only ways I can fathom people actually being proponents of the OP is

1. Through ignorance - literally INGORING what happens in the world around them
2. Through lack of knowledge of history
3. Throughout apathy
4. As troll trainees
5. Through other personality issues (mean, racist learned behavior)
6. Via schadenfreude

Or those with a doctrine that removes faith from reality - like the "name it and claim it" group.

 

[keith99]

Or those with a doctrine that removes faith from reality - like the "name it and claim it" group.

But it works if you have enough faith!

How much faith? Enough that it works.

Of course some of these preach that both Jesus and Paul both lacked faith that they have.

 

[grasping the after wind]

I cannot recall how many times I have been told to "Get over it and stop living in the past" by non-Native Americans whenever I talk about the history of Native Americans in this country. They tell me to "Get over it and stop living in the past" while they insist that we "Never forget 9-11" or tell us to "Remember Pearl Harbor" or the Southerners who insist on memorializing the South during the Civil War, even though the South was defeated and humiliated or the memorializing and commemorating of any other tragedy or triumph in American history. The double standard and the hypocrisy of it all is so astounding, it is laughable. And they have the nerve to tell me to stop living in the past.

If I were to say that I have totally forgotten Pearl Harbor and do not expect anything from the current Japanese people because not only did they have no part in it, but also that their ancestors, that had a part in it, were simply acting in what they saw as the best interest of their people. And if I said we should not hold grudges against Muslims who had no part in 9/11 and forgive any of those that did and wished to be forgiven and we only should remember 9/11 in order to guard against future such events. And if I were to say that all the bad things that happened to my own ancestors, including all the abuses of the English, Germans and Russians toward my Irish and Polish ancestors, ought to be left in the past as no one here and now was responsible for them , could I then have permission to say it would be better for you to get over things that happened that no one now is responsible for and that you yourself did not experience, without being called a hypocrite for saying that?

 

[Shiloh Raven]

If I were to say that I have totally forgotten Pearl Harbor and do not expect anything from the current Japanese people because not only did they have no part in it, but also that their ancestors, that had a part in it, were simply acting in what they saw as the best interest of their people. And if I said we should not hold grudges against Muslims who had no part in 9/11 and forgive any of those that did and wished to be forgiven and we only should remember 9/11 in order to guard against future such events. And if I were to say that all the bad things that happened to my own ancestors, including all the abuses of the English, Germans and Russians toward my Irish and Polish ancestors, ought to be left in the past as no one here and now was responsible for them , could I then have permission to say it would be better for you to get over things that happened that no one now is responsible for and that you yourself did not experience, without being called a hypocrite for saying that?

Well, thank you for your opinion. However, I am less inclined to take the advice from a stranger on the internet. My first inclination was to tell you I would give your advice all the consideration I think it deserves, but that would be rude.

 

[keith99]

Why should I forgive any Japanese person alive today for Pearl Harbor?

I do not mean why should I not have ill will towards them for that event. I mean what is there to forgive. Few were even alive. None alive today had any part in deciding the event and soon there will be no one alive who participated in any way shape of form.

What is there to forgive?

EDIT: It seems the last pilot died earlier this year. Based on the Wiki about him I would not just forgive him, I salute him.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/06/w...ter-pilot-who-became-pacifist-dies-at-99.html

 

[CCHIPSS]

In my opinion, yeah, get over it if it didn't affect you personally.

French people got over Nazi Germany.

That isn't to say there are no current issues caused by past events, but don't take it so personally.

eg: People in East Asian need to get over disliking Japan because of what old or dead people did. It's pathetic.

I don't hate Japan. But when you actually talk to someone from China or South Korea you better be careful. Else here is what they will tell you.

Japan is still denying that they ever did anything bad to China and South Korea. They never have comfort women, never beheaded civilians for fun, etc. In fact it was a "peaceful" occupation and the people in China and South Korea WELCOMED the Japanese invaders. What a bunch of bull c***!

Now China is stronger than Japan in every way, and Japan is hiding behind big and tall USA and barking falsehood like a scared puppy. And USA is letting Japan get away with their all their lies and propaganda.

So TODAY Japan is still denying history. They teach their school kids all the wrong and false information. When someone come into your country and kills millions then say they never did anything, how would you feel?

Look at the atomic bomb memorial in Hiroshima today. Japan claims that they are in fact victims in WW2. They teach falsehood even against the USA side of things.

China hates Japan. South Korea hates Japan. Philippine hates Japan. Get over it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

This. But there are similar things I just did not get until I heard personal stories. I knew about the depression and I knew it was even worse in Europe. I knew about the hyper-inflation in Germany. But it finally came into focus when I heard about a top rate professional whose lump sum pension check (e.g. his entire pension for his entire working life) came a day later than expected in the mail. Instead of the bottle of wine and quart of strawberries he planned to buy it only covered the wine.

I think your point is similar and I'm going to try to personalize it. Near me is an Armenian market. Their meat prices are amazing. Boneless ribeye at 8.99. I go there a lot. Often enough that the butcher has been known to ask if I'm buying my usual order. A couple of years ago I noticed signs saying they would be closed for the annual remembrance of the Armenian Holocaust. BUT aside from that I have never heard it mentioned. Not once in shopping there for over a decade. I would never tell them to 'just get over it' because as I see it they have, it does not control or even have much influence over their day to day life. But neither have they or should they (in my opinion) forget.

I once read that the Armenian genocide partly inspired the holocaust. When discussing the "final solution" for the jewish problem in Germany one high ranking Third Reich official remarked that the rest of Europe and the world at large wouldn't tolerate such wholesale slaughter of a people. Hitler's reply was along the lines of "the world sat by and did nothing when it happened to the Armenians."

 

[Dave-W]

Of course some of these preach that both Jesus and Paul both lacked faith that they have.

Yeah; I have heard that from some of them.

<YIKES!>

 

[grasping the after wind]

Well, thank you for your opinion. However, I am less inclined to take the advice from a stranger on the internet. My first inclination was to tell you I would give your advice all the consideration I think it deserves, but that would be rude.

I was not giving an opinion nor advice I was asking a question.

 

[Paradoxum]

I don't hate Japan. But when you actually talk to someone from China or South Korea you better be careful. Else here is what they will tell you.

Japan is still denying that they ever did anything bad to China and South Korea. They never have comfort women, never beheaded civilians for fun, etc. In fact it was a "peaceful" occupation and the people in China and South Korea WELCOMED the Japanese invaders. What a bunch of bull c***!

Now China is stronger than Japan in every way, and Japan is hiding behind big and tall USA and barking falsehood like a scared puppy. And USA is letting Japan get away with their all their lies and propaganda.

So TODAY Japan is still denying history. They teach their school kids all the wrong and false information. When someone come into your country and kills millions then say they never did anything, how would you feel?

Look at the atomic bomb memorial in Hiroshima today. Japan claims that they are in fact victims in WW2. They teach falsehood even against the USA side of things.

Japan should accept their wrong, and East Asian should get over it.

China hates Japan. South Korea hates Japan. Philippine hates Japan. Get over it.

Why are you being so aggressive to me for wanting peace? You seem to be supporting hate as the status quo that SHOULD be kept. Just because somethiing 'IS' doesn't mean is should be.

 

[Paradoxum]

But, it is an implication perhaps your answer did not consider. How can you get over oppression that started in the past, but continues in the future ? In that case, it affects generations, not just the people who were directly affected.

Then, the insensitivity needed to conclude people just "get over it" comes from a well of ignorance and/or understanding of what "it" is in the first place.

Does it happen currently?

 

[Paradoxum]

I know an elderly French woman who has not by any means gotten over Nazi Germany. Her sister and mother were raped to death by Nazi soldiers.

I know someone who collects stamps, therefore everyone does. (I'm not sympathetic because I'm not talking to them).

Oh, but you did say "...if it didn't affect you personally."

And that is the point. That old woman is still alive--many are still alive--who were directly affected personally by Nazi Germany. When they and their children (because they children are affected by the experiences of the parents) are all safely dead, you can talk about "getting over" Nazi Germany.

France has actually got over it. So what's your point?

France is a closer friend to Germany than the UK. They don't care anymore.

I'm genuinely interested in why you thought you had a point when it's obviously factually not true?

Slavery itself is not a real issue in America. Yes, there are some folk calling for reparations for slavery, but only because they're conflating the Jim Crow era with slavery.

And there are those of us--me, for instance--who very well remember the Jim Crow era. And there are people alive today who very much want to revive the Jim Crow era. I'm not "getting over it" until those Jim Crow nostalgists are dead.

I agree that current racial issues are current.

 

[Paradoxum]

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[tatteredsoul]

Does it happen currently?

Of course it does.

Which is why it so insensitive and culturally couter-productive to tell people to get over it.

Really, saying "get over it" for anything shows a lack of true concern, no similar shared experience and very little compassion. I understand tough love, but it isn't love if you tell someone to change their behavior, outlook and feelings just because YOU think they should.

To me, I feel bad for people who say, "get over it," because life has an interesting sense of humor - and it is all but a guarantee that person will be in a position in which s/he will experience someone telling them to "get over it."

It is even worse when someone says, "get over it," and they don't even know what is going on.

 

[RDKirk]

But it works if you have enough faith!

How much faith? Enough that it works.

Was that "Notebooks of Lazarus Long" or a different work?

 

[keith99]

Was that "Notebooks of Lazarus Long" or a different work?

I'm 99% sure it is in the notebooks which I'm sure you know are two intermissions in the book Time Enough for Love. If not I think it is in the body of TEFL. It is the kind of thing Robert may have also said more than once in print so it would be no surprise if it is also elsewhere.