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Should I make amends for pre-conversion sins??

Mister_Al

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Thanks for both replies. My main problem seems to be telling apart particular urges for pre-conversion restitution: are they coming from the Accuser or the Spirit? If there would be a Scriptural 'blanket solution' for this issue, stating that YES, you need to make amends for all long past sins; or NO, works are unnecessary and pagan; then my conscience could rest this way or another.


2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV)

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


If you're born again you don't have any past sins to deal with. In fact, you don't even have a past. Don't let the devil, and/or false teachings, keep you in turmoil. Why do you think it's call the "Good News" of Jesus Christ anyway?

Alan
 
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If you're born again you don't have any past sins to deal with.

That's not what the Zaccheus story tells us: "Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount."
Also, Jesus bids us to return to any offended persons in Mt 5:23-24.
But then again, 2 Cor 5:19 continues: "that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

These seemingly conflicting passages are the source of my ongoing dilemma.
 
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Well, this is how I see this dilemma now:

a., we should not make amends for pre-conversional offenses because we are a new creation in Christ, old things have disappeared (2Corinthians 5:17), God does not count our sins against us (2Corinthians 5:19), and as the Son set us free, we are free indeed (John 8:36). The "vertical" and "horizontal" kinds of relationship are an unbiblical concept, excuse me, Twistedsketch.

b., if a pre-conversional (presently inactive) relationship was relatively harmonious when we last checked it but it was riddled with unforgiven offenses deep under the surface, we should leave it as it is based on a.,. The exception is when the offense involves a major debt (Luke 19:8) as it should be settled.

c., specific sin identification to the offended is only necessary in the above-mentioned exceptional case involving a major debt. Otherwise it's the same scenario as in a.,.



When I first realized that there may be some truth in the teaching that we should make amends for our pre-conversional offenses, I promptly embarked on what I now see as a legalistic, humanistic crusade to ask forgiveness from at least 30 persons (including some ex-girlfriends). Only one or two of these offenses actually haunted me after my conversion in the first place. Anyway, many of these persons left my letter(s) unanswered (if they even knew who I was after all this time). That and the whole process made me feel miserable. I've become obsessed with making amends for a long chain of adolescent and young adulthood quibbles and lies, but I felt that the process is wrong somehow.

Then I came to realize that there's a good reason why we don't find an explicit teaching in the NT saying "you should return to your unforgiven sins from before you were saved". Because, as a general rule, we should not. There's a warning passage in Hebrews concerning apostasy (6:4-6) that is said to be "Satan's favorite passage". I believe this would be his other favorite. He would use it to induce guilt where there is no place for guilt. I for one became a Christian when I was 26. That translates to about 20 years of continuous, unwitting pagan sinning, blundering, lying, cussing on my part. It would take a lifetime to appease this literal guilt trip, as in my experience one restituted offense promptly leads to a newly revealed offense further back in time to form an endless chain -- just as Satan pleases.
So I believe that we should leave our old man's (old self's) ugly legacy alone unless the Spirit bids us to make something specific right (as in Zaccheus). But even if He does bid us, He will not keep us awake at night doing so. His essence is love, thus severe guilt tripping cannot be His way.

(copied from 'new Christians' thread)

Anyone else?
 
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Hi Andras,

I've been around the traps for sometime, and I've found that that sin keeps on coming to mind and I feel convicted on the heart, then the Holy Spirit is bringing it to mind because there still needs some attention. But, when I feel guilt and shame, then it means that Satan and his forces are pulling the strings.

When it's the Holy Spirit prompting, then I ask HIM to show me exactly what happened in that sin that HE is bringing to my attention to sort out.

When it's the enemy, then I tell Satan and his forces that I am a Child of God, and I've handled that sin and I have been forgiven and I cut off all power from them by the power of my Almighty God, and through HIS Shed Blood, in Jesus' Name.

Now if it keeps on coming back then I take it to that person, and ask them for forgiveness of my sin.

We can allow our carnal mind to dwell on far too much, which is the enemy's battleground, but when we clean up our act and have sorted everything out of our soul, then we can renew our spiritual mind, our heart.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.
 
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