Should I be allowed to even eat?

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Some will probably say you are reading to much into the verse below. But when you are struggling to find work and get laid off on 2 jobs within a week on starting both it really effect you.

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. II Thessalonians 3:10
 

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Some will probably say you are reading to much into the verse below. But when you are struggling to find work and get laid off on 2 jobs within a week on starting both it really effect you.

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. II Thessalonians 3:10

That means a lazy person who refuses to work. The Church is not obligated to share anything with someone like that.

There's a difference between being unemployed and unable to work, and being unwilling to work.
 
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Some will probably say you are reading to much into the verse below. But when you are struggling to find work and get laid off on 2 jobs within a week on starting both it really effect you.

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. II Thessalonians 3:10
You are reading too much into this.
Had you been mooching off others while you lounged around watching TV instead of seeking a job, it would apply to you.
Good luck with the "hunt".
 
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Some will probably say you are reading to much into the verse below. But when you are struggling to find work and get laid off on 2 jobs within a week on starting both it really effect you.

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. II Thessalonians 3:10
In the early years of 'the west', western towns in the united states, it has been reported / recorded that men, women and children who did not work were well fed by the local business and by households/ individuals/ groups.

Even in New York City, Boston, etc, poor homeless or hungry vagabonds needed only knock on a person's door to receive a plate of good food often - it was a common practice to feed them, whoever was hungry, until the government took over.

The Scripture says that "no one had a need", in the first assembly(-ies)... every need was met. Even before Jesus, hungry and poor men and women , older ones in particular, were provided for in practice, as commanded by God in His TORAH.
 
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Some will probably say you are reading to much into the verse below. But when you are struggling to find work and get laid off on 2 jobs within a week on starting both it really effect you.

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. II Thessalonians 3:10

Have you considered holding special prayers for a job & finances using the very same scripture (Thessalonians 3:10)? Maybe the enemy has attacked you in that area.
 
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Have you considered holding special prayer sessions for a job & finances using that very same scripture (Thessalonians 3:10)? Maybe the enemy has attacked you in that area.
Has God's people helped ?
Do they even know how to help ?
 
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Some will probably say you are reading to much into the verse below. But when you are struggling to find work and get laid off on 2 jobs within a week on starting both it really effect you.

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. II Thessalonians 3:10

That verse is not about stealing food from someone who is out of work nor commanding people that don't have a job at the moment to starve themselves.
 
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Do they even know how to help ?


What if his finances have been tied by the enemy? Is he expected to live on donations from church and others forever? Is it not better to pray so the Lord can release him, then when he's found a new job, this time it will be for keeps.
 
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What if his finances have been tied by the enemy? Is he expected to live on donations from church and others forever? Is it not better to pray so the Lord can release him, then when he's found a new job, this time it will be for keeps.
The finances of most of the world are the enemy's finances - filthy lucre -
the root of all evil being desiring those finances.

Do what Yahweh's Word and Spirit Say - Listen to Jesus, the Shepherd Daily, in union with the son and with the Father in heaven, as written of the Ekklesia in ACTS, et al Scripture.
 
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Some will probably say you are reading to much into the verse below. But when you are struggling to find work and get laid off on 2 jobs within a week on starting both it really effect you.

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. II Thessalonians 3:10

The letters to the churches should not have been saved. Ignore their advice. The context is, it's not for you.
 
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The letters to the churches should not have been saved. Ignore their advice. The context is, it's not for you.
Those who reject Scripture are rejecting , or already have rejected , Jesus and the Father, as Jesus Clearly Says.
 
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Those who reject Scripture are rejecting , or already have rejected , Jesus and the Father, as Jesus Clearly Says.
Your analysis is also out of context to the situation.
People throw that one around anytime their logic is up for examination.
There was this boy who cried wolf a lot.....
 
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All that proceeds from the flesh ...
"everything born of the flesh, is flesh, and profits nothing" (or worse)
So those who are willingly sinning, without repenting (and worse),
what proceeds from those "profits nothing".

The spirit and the flesh are at war daily, not in harmony, not able to 'get along'.
 
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poor homeless or hungry vagabonds needed only knock on a person's door to receive a plate of good food

In Europe, probably not so much. I think about "Down and Out in Paris and London" where there might be some charity available but not freely. It would be interesting to see how America compared. I would bet they were indeed more generous than most other parts of the world.
 
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The finances of most of the world are the enemy's finances - filthy lucre -
the root of all evil being desiring those finances.

Do what Yahweh's Word and Spirit Say - Listen to Jesus, the Shepherd Daily, in union with the son and with the Father in heaven, as written of the Ekklesia in ACTS, et al Scripture.


Ok. Are we in agreement or not, that our Brother in the Lord here needs a job inorder to function in his day to day life? He is not disabled so ideally, he should go to work don't you think??
 
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Welcome to CF. :)

Context is everything.

The Thessalonians took St. Paul’s words about the imminent return of the Lord to heart, so some of them decided there was no point to working anymore and expected the Church to care for them.

Agreed - for us today this means a person who simply refuses to work although they can is not to be the recipient of food donations.

Someone who cannot work for any reason is not the same. Do we really think a loving Father would deny His child food because they suffer misfortune?


Prayers that you are able to get a job soon.
 
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