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Should flag burners lose citizenship?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by morningstar2651, Nov 29, 2016.

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  1. expos4ever

    expos4ever Left This Site

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    I don't debate with childish people - and to dismiss my clear argument with this insult is the very definition of childish. Welcome to "ignore".
     
  2. PeachyKeane

    PeachyKeane Newbie

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    Don't get attached to your ideas. Sorry, it sounds like hooey.

    Ignoring people for rejecting your ideas isn't exactly a sign of maturity.
     
  3. GoldenBoy89

    GoldenBoy89 We're Still Here

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    I agree flag burning is offensive but that's sort of the whole point of doing it. If we didn't imbue the act with such power, the incentive to do it and be shocking and offensive would be gone.

    Perhaps people would still do it but if they saw that no one cared, they'd eventually stop and move on to something else.
     
  4. GoldenBoy89

    GoldenBoy89 We're Still Here

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    The religion of Americanism rivals Christianity for #1 faith in the US.
     
  5. RDKirk

    RDKirk Alien, Pilgrim, and Sojourner Supporter

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    They intended to protect independent speech as well, such as what Tom Paine was doing and the various writers of the Federalist Papers, who in today's terms would be bloggers.
     
  6. Desk trauma

    Desk trauma Atheist Capitalist Supporter

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    Tolerated by whom?
     
  7. Kenny'sID

    Kenny'sID Well-Known Member Supporter

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    All depends on if he can make the flag stand for something worth not burning again.

    At least that would make it a question worth seriously pondering, otherwise... seems I don't really care one way or another, and it's a shame it's come to that over the years.
     
  8. Nithavela

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    I don't think that many people share your association of fire with something that only destroys and causes chaos. For example, thanks to fire, I'm currently not freezing to death.
     
  9. GoldenBoy89

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    Governments that require respect from the citizens don't deserve it.

    You can force a person to join in and stand up for the national anthem, pledge allegiance to the flag and be a Yankee doodle dandy every single day of their life but if they don't already love or have respect for the country to begin with, none of that is going to matter.

    Personally, I'd rather people be honest with how they feel and state it clearly than have a false sense of unity that isn't really there.
     
  10. RDKirk

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    You really think Tom Paine, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison intended to fail to protect what they were already doing--writing their own public letters and pamphlets in support of the Constitution?
     
  11. psalms 91

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    Really? Are you saying you dont know? If you dont then I wont tell you, obviously if you are that far out of it then there is no point in talking
     
  12. Desk trauma

    Desk trauma Atheist Capitalist Supporter

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    What post was this in response to?
     
  13. RDKirk

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    I think lynch nooses are more directed than that.

    Fire is more often a very good thing--mankind would not have survived without it. Many, if not most, people in the world have a little fire going on somewhere in their homes.

     
  14. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    I sure Obama actually feels that way. But unlike Trump he was smart enough not to say something like that. Let's face it we are going to see more of this stuff from Trump as he is not afraid of sharing an opinion.

    Also there is a VERY large difference between the first and second amendments and their wording. There is nothing in the wording that would indicate that freedom of speech applies to flag burning. It's just that the supreme Court has ruled that it does. So, it does. However the second amendment is VERY specific about gun ownership.

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  15. psalms 91

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    The one that asked me tolorated by whom
     
  16. Desk trauma

    Desk trauma Atheist Capitalist Supporter

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    Ah. In that case are you going to explain?
     
  17. RDKirk

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    Well, Christians have to show some honor to the officials of the nations we are deployed to 'cause the Lord says so. But only because the Lord says so, not because they inherently deserve it.
     
  18. morningstar2651

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    How should we punish those who disrespect our blessed and glorious government? Should we revoke their rights? Imprison them? Execute them? What is the appropriate punishment for the crime of political incorrectness?
     
  19. RDKirk

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    There was no national flag or national anthem when the Constitution was written. If there had been any idea that someone in the federal capital would attempt to force citizens of Pennsylvania, New York, or Virginia to respect any token of state beside their own, there would probably not have been a Constitution.
     
  20. RDKirk

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    No, Americanism has no serious rival. It has pretty much consumed Christianity in the US, except for a few isolated holdouts like Jehovah's Witnesses.
     
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