Should Christians, "Reprove, Rebuke, and Exhort"?

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"preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching." (2 Tim 4:2)

Reprove
1. to criticize or correct, especially gently:to reprove a pupil for making a mistake.
2. to disapprove of strongly; censure:to reprove a bad decision.

Rebuke
1. to express sharp, stern disapproval of; reprove; reprimand.

Exhort
1. to urge, advise, or caution earnestly; admonish urgently.
2. to give urgent advice, recommendations, or warnings.​


Does the church in the west have the stomach for this? It seems we don't. These terms would seem hateful to many, but are they not the most loving?
 

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Yes, but most people think that if you reprove someone you are judging them, when in reality it is not judging unless you have distain for them. Then again, Paul said it is not for us to judge outside the church but within, although that judgement has to do with removing unrepentant sinners from the church body.
 
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My gift is exhortation. To question if I can do that or not is silly. Rebuke is done in the Bible especially if one would interfere with your own fate. Reprove, being done softly, is what some do, not everyone knows how to do that correctly, and it can be hard at times.
 
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"preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching." (2 Tim 4:2)

Reprove
1. to criticize or correct, especially gently:to reprove a pupil for making a mistake.
2. to disapprove of strongly; censure:to reprove a bad decision.

Rebuke
1. to express sharp, stern disapproval of; reprove; reprimand.

Exhort
1. to urge, advise, or caution earnestly; admonish urgently.
2. to give urgent advice, recommendations, or warnings.​


Does the church in the west have the stomach for this? It seems we don't. These terms would seem hateful to many, but are they not the most loving?

2 Timothy 3:15-17 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

At the time of Timothy's infancy, the NT hadn't been written yet, so we are to reprove, rebuke, and exhort according to what is written in OT Scriptures.
 
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2 Timothy 3:15-17 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

At the time of Timothy's infancy, the NT hadn't been written yet, so we are to reprove, rebuke, and exhort according to what is written in OT Scriptures.

Yes, but as the man who asked Jesus how to be saved he got the same message from the OT as we are given in the new. Love god and love thy neighbor as thyself.
 
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Yes, but as the man who asked Jesus how to be saved he got the same message from the OT as we are given in the new. Love god and love thy neighbor as thyself.

Faith in God about how we should live is what saves us and what leads us to obey the Law and the Prophets. Jesus summarized the Law and the Prophets as being about how to love God and how to love your neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40), so it is not loving God and our neighbor according to the Law and the Prophets that saves us, but rather we are saved by the faith that leads us to do that.
 
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The danger, I think is rushing off to judge, or to label something else as judgment or discipline, when it was never that to begin with. Christ disambiguated between right/wrong judgment. I'm inclined to believe that one first needs to take the "lowest seat," among other things, and gain a different perspective, to see more clearly why it is that those who do not, might be judged when they judge.
 
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John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteousjudgment." (KJV)

1 Corinthians 5:3
For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judgedalready, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,"(KJV)

1 Corinthians 5:12
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?" (KJV)

1 Corinthians 6:4
If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church." (KJV)

1 Corinthians 14:24
But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:"(KJV)

1 Corinthians 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."(KJV)
 
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Faith in God about how we should live is what saves us and what leads us to obey the Law and the Prophets. Jesus summarized the Law and the Prophets as being about how to love God and how to love your neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40), so it is not loving God and our neighbor according to the Law and the Prophets that saves us, but rather we are saved by the faith that leads us to do that.

You: It is not loving God and our neighbor that saves us...

Jesus:

Luke 10:25And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 26He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Sorry, I'll believe Jesus, not the doctrine of men.

Edit: We are talking about what **we** must do to be saved, not technicalities that people love to confuse each other with so much. Jesus right here says love your neighbor as yourself. Deny the words of our Lord if you will but when you spread the doctrines of men it can lead others toward your same fate.
 
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Yes, but most people think that if you reprove someone you are judging them, when in reality it is not judging unless you have distain for them. Then again, Paul said it is not for us to judge outside the church but within, although that judgement has to do with removing unrepentant sinners from the church body.

Yes. There needs to be a distinction made between judging and condemning.
 
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2 Timothy 3:15-17 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

At the time of Timothy's infancy, the NT hadn't been written yet, so we are to reprove, rebuke, and exhort according to what is written in OT Scriptures.

Of course James only had the OT, but we have both.

Are you saying that we are to ignore God's revelation to us in Jesus Christ through the gospels and epistles? We should live as if the NT weren't written???
 
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The danger, I think is rushing off to judge, or to label something else as judgment or discipline, when it was never that to begin with. Christ disambiguated between right/wrong judgment. I'm inclined to believe that one first needs to take the "lowest seat," among other things, and gain a different perspective, to see more clearly why it is that those who do not, might be judged when they judge.

Why the equivocation? The text is clear and simple, and has no such fear.

Both things are true. We are not to condemn in judgement and we are to reprove, rebuke and exhort.
 
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You: It is not loving God and our neighbor that saves us...

Jesus:

Luke 10:25And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 26He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Sorry, I'll believe Jesus, not the doctrine of men.

Edit: We are talking about what **we** must do to be saved, not technicalities that people love to confuse each other with so much. Jesus right here says love your neighbor as yourself. Deny the words of our Lord if you will but when you spread the doctrines of men it can lead others toward your same fate.

There are two issues with this.

1) Is there a man who has ever lived, other than Adam, who can obey the entire law of god without every having sinned once? I don't know of one. Do you?

2) Jesus had not yet been crucified when He spoke those words. The Gospels cover the time in history between old and new covenants. If you want to understand the New Covenant, you have to look mainly to the the rest of the NT books. Romans being a good start.
 
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There are two issues with this.

1) Is there a man who has ever lived, other than Adam, who can obey the entire law of god without every having sinned once? I don't know of one. Do you?

2) Jesus had not yet been crucified when He spoke those words. The Gospels cover the time in history between old and new covenants. If you want to understand the New Covenant, you have to look mainly to the the rest of the NT books. Romans being a good start.

Lets have it your way.

Romans 1:17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith."

What does it mean to "live by faith"? According to Hebrews 10 it is doing the will of God, which we know is love thy neighbor as thyself.

Hebrews 10:
36You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. 37 For, “In just a little while, he who is coming will come and will not delay.”
38 And, “But my righteous one will live by faith. And I take no pleasure in the one who shrinks back.”

Back to Romans
2:6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Read that. Read that again. Here in Romans Paul is saying we have toblove our neighbors as our selves to be saved, for we know the law is fullfilled in love thy neighbors as thyselves. Before you say we don't, read that passage again.

6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

Paul gives a lot of details in what saved us, grace and faith not works, but comes back to, look, just because you're not saved by works doesn't mean you can continue to sin.

13:9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

There it is again, in Romans, love thy neighbor as thyself.

13:13 Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. 14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.

When you read to bible or a book you have to read it as a hole. Don't read we are saved by faith not works and walk away, you have to read the parts that say if you continue to live in sin you will die also.
 
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Lets have it your way.

Romans 1:17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith."

What does it mean to "live by faith"? According to Hebrews 10 it is doing the will of God, which we know is love thy neighbor as thyself.

Hebrews 10:
36You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. 37 For, “In just a little while, he who is coming will come and will not delay.”
38 And, “But my righteous one will live by faith. And I take no pleasure in the one who shrinks back.”

Back to Romans
2:6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Read that. Read that again. Here in Romans Paul is saying we have toblove our neighbors as our selves to be saved, for we know the law is fullfilled in love thy neighbors as thyselves. Before you say we don't, read that passage again.

6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

Paul gives a lot of details in what saved us, grace and faith not works, but comes back to, look, just because you're not saved by works doesn't mean you can continue to sin.

13:9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

There it is again, in Romans, love thy neighbor as thyself.

13:13 Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. 14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.

When you read to bible or a book you have to read it as a hole. Don't read we are saved by faith not works and walk away, you have to read the parts that say if you continue to live in sin you will die also.

Let's have it your way: Jesus came and died for no reason.
 
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Let's have it your way: Jesus came and died for no reason.

Of course not, for we know know that we can never be perfect. Why do you insist to deny what the bible clearly says? Jesus died for those that love their neighbors as their selves. Without God's forgiveness/Jesus sacrifice we wouldn't be saved.

Did you read up there what I said to read again and again? What does it say? Do you just throw that, and your salvation, away because you don't like it? I have quoted scripture, if you have a problem with what it says take it up with God, it is His word, after all.

I mean "For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." is fairly clear. No room for interpretation no matter what your religion, unless it is one that ignores the bible.
 
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Of course James only had the OT, but we have both.

Are you saying that we are to ignore God's revelation to us in Jesus Christ through the gospels and epistles? We should live as if the NT weren't written???

Of course not, 2 Timothy 3:15-17 is part of the NT, so not rebuking, reproving, and exhorting according the the OT would be ignoring what was written in the the NT. The NT authors quoted are alluded to the OT thousands of times to show that it supported what they were saying and that they didn't deviate from what is written there. So having the NT can certainly add to our understanding of the OT, but it is in complete accordance with the truth that is found there.
 
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