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shorten the days

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by jsimms615, Sep 7, 2013.

  1. jsimms615

    jsimms615 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I was looking at Mark 13:20 where it says, "And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect whom He chose, He shortened the days."

    I was wondering in what sense do you think he shortened them? What I mean is, does that mean that the tribulation period was going to be longer, does that mean that the days were shortened to less than 24 hours, does that mean something else?
     
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  2. heavenlessstar

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    I thought it might mean that God was going to cut the tribulation period short because the loss of life was so great that no flesh would survive to the end of the 7 years. Now I'm beginning to think it means that if God lets the tribulation go on past 7 years all flesh on earth would die. Either way we look at it, it isn't a pretty picture. I don't think we can truly imagine just how dreadful the tribulation will be.
     
  3. yeshuasavedme

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    Jasher 7: 20,21.... and to Eber were born two children, the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the sons of men were divided, and in the latter days, the earth was divided.
    And the name of the second was Yoktan, meaning that in his day the lives of the sons of men were diminished and lessened.

    The word means to "cut off" and the meaning is found in Revelation, for one, and in Enoch, for a first. In Hebrew the word is "yoktan" and is the name of one of the sons of Eber, because in his day numbered, long lived years of the sons of Adam were cut off/shortened which was one of the curses God sent on Adam kind as a result of the rebellion of the tower of Bab-El.


    The number of years and number of days are exactly counted in Scripture for the tribulation, and will not be changed to less days or less years, but parts of the days and nights will be shortened/cut off by one third of their "shining".

    Rev 8: 12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

    The shining of the days and nights measured by parts = one day of 36 parts total, is in the revelation of "Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam" and to not shine for one third part means -converted to hours- that the total length of a day will not be 24 hours, but 18 hours, or "24 parts", so that all on earth do not perish from the extreme heat of the sun which is smitten and burns the earth and so, makes the moon also shine brighter, which also burns the earth.

    Therefore the sun and the moon will not smite those anymore, who come out of those days of great tribulation.

    Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.


    Also: note that in Scripture and in the book of Enoch the prophet, the earth will be moved out of her fixed place and will jump about as a hunted roe [fantastic twisting jumps to escape a predator] and will staggar as a drunken man. So the sun will be shining hotter on earth after that and the moon also wil be shining hotter. No flesh would survive if the days and nights parts/hours were not "cut off/lessened in numbers".
    The seasons will be backwards, also, for the earth will be turned upside down.
     
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  4. jsimms615

    jsimms615 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Besides in Enoch do you have any scriptures that say that the sessions would be backwards or the earth will move out of its place?
    That seems to be in conflict with what Genesis 8:22 says,
    "While the earth remains, Seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease."
     
  5. heavenlessstar

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    I'm not sure Revelation 7:16 belongs in this context. These saints are standing before the throne in heaven. That's why the sun doesn't shine on them.
     
  6. yeshuasavedme

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    Actually, FYI, states that the throne of God is set in the sun, itself!
    I have a thread on that around here somewhere -well documented.

    But "the sun will not smite them by day nor the moon by night" passages in Scripture refer to the burning heat of the sun and of the moon upon the earth during the tribulation, after the angel -messenger who happens to be a raptured human being priest of the heavenly order [all seven of the ones with bowls are glorified human beings] throws the bowl of wrath into the sun and it begins smiting the earth.
     
  7. yeshuasavedme

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    Yes, as I said in the post: both say it.
    And the seasons will still be four, but backwards.
    An upside down earth will have backwards seasons.

    Isaiah 24:1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

    Moving "the earth out of her place" will cause the day and night to not shine for their one third of them, as the Word says.

    Isaiah 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

    Isa 13:14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.


     
  8. jsimms615

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    I see those passages in Isaiah as more of a figure of speech than literal.

    Do you have any comments on the passage I quoted earlier in Genesis?
     
  9. Brian45

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    I'm not sure why some people can't see it as literal , I would have thought that it was obvious as it does say that we have done something bad to the planet , and we can already see the begining of this today.

    Isaiah 24:5 - The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant.
    Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt.
     
  10. yeshuasavedme

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    I did comment, you must have missed it.
    And since Enoch and Isaiah and Revelation all agree, then there is no reason to not believe the literal Word.
    I said:
    "...And the seasons will still be four, but backwards.
    An upside down earth will have backwards seasons."
    The same holds for night and day: they never cease.
     
  11. jsimms615

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    yeah, your right. I must have missed your earlier comment. My bad.
     
  12. coraline

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    It means His elect saints at the time (ie: the apostles & disciples) needed to escape Jerusalem when the Romans came to shatter the former "holy people"

    The remnant of Israel (ie: apostles & disciples in Jesus) were to be saved even though the rest of Israel, (the synagogue of Satan) Jews who refused to have Him reign over them, would be killed in the siege of the Jewish/Roman war. (AD 67-70)

    So when God says "unless the days be shortened, no flesh would survive." it means God made a short work on earth & finished it so the remnant of believers would be saved. ( the saving of the soul. And spirits too, if you will)
     
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    The length of final seven years is commonly calculated as 2520 days, which is simply 7 years x 12 months x 30 days. From Daniel 8:13-14 below the length of transgression is 2300 days, which is debated whether or not 2300 is divided by two for the morning and evening sacrifices. In my opinion it is 2300 days. So the 2520 days is shorten to 2300 days. It is my belief this is the shorten time.


    [Dan 8:13-14 NASB] 13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to that particular one who was speaking, "How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply, while the transgression causes horror, so as to allow both the holy place and the host to be trampled?" 14 He said to me, "For 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the holy place will be properly restored."

    Shalom
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  14. Houly

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    16 hours right?

    It could mean individual days (maybe the result of the several unprecedented earthquakes in Revelation), but I think it means the total time of tribulation. If Jesus did not return exactly when He will, there would literally be no one alive on the earth.

    Here are other translations: Mark 13:20 "If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them.
     
  15. Bible2

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    Mark 13:20 can mean that all flesh on the earth would die if the Lord hadn't already shortened, as in "he hath shortened" (Mark 13:20b), the number of days of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18, Matthew 24, and Mark 13. The Lord could have already determined, from the beginning of Creation (cf. Isaiah 46:10), that he will return on the 1,335th day after the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a 3rd Jewish temple (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15). And the Lord will return "immediately after the tribulation" (Matthew 24:29-31), immediately after its final event, the worldwide destruction during the 7th vial (Revelation 16:19, Revelation 19:2 to 20:6). So Mark 13:20 can mean that if the Lord hadn't shortened the number of days of the tribulation, then all flesh on the earth would die during the 7th vial's aftermath, which could be a nuclear-winter scenario (which the Lord will miraculously prevent at his return) brought on by the 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire nuking the cities of the earth at the 7th vial (Revelation 17:16-17a, Revelation 16:19).
     
  16. Time Watcher

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    The shortening means that the Lord will limit the time of His coming hour [time] of trial and judgment ..... if longer the intensity would leave no humans alive upon the earth

    He has already determined the time lapse [1260 days + 1260 days + 30 days] .... Daniel and Revelation both have the count

    His unprecedented tribulation will last for exactly 2550 days .... then He will appear to the mortal survivors left and gather them [next 45 days] for their separating [these gatherings are not resurrections] .... first of Israel [Isaiah 11; 27:13; Matthew 24:29-31] .... and then of the nations [Matthew 25:31-46]
     
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  17. yeshuasavedme

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    yes....thank you.
    I have some kind of brain short when it comes to numbers, and forgot to check myself:). If only I could have learned numbers as words, as a child, then I would have no trouble; but those funny little marks do not make pictures in my mind like words do :( and they are slippery little creatures, slipping down into some hidey places in my mind when I try to hold them long enough to look at them:) -but I can't find them out to look at them to see what they are!
     
  18. apple2345

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    I think that it means that there is a remnant chosen to seek the Lord in repentance, which will shorten the days. I think a lot of the prophecy can be understood through comparison with the rise and fall of Judah.

    When Judah was taken into captivity, there was the preordained timeframe of seventy years given.

    So the people remained in captivity during this time until, it would seem not by coincidence, daniel realizes from studying the prophet jeremiah that there time of captivity would be finished when they reached the seventeenth year, and so he prayed and repented for the people and sought God's deliverance (daniel 9:1-19). Who know whether Judah would have remained in captivity longer if it had not been for Daniels intermediary prayer.

    I think the fulfilment of the revelation will match this event and gives us plenty to teach us the way to walk through the fulfilment of prophecy. :)
     
  19. bevin4heaven

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    Wonder what happened to the pre trib rapture coz that's gonna upset some people.
     
  20. zeke37

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    shortening of days prob refers to the length of the entire trib
    being shortened for the elect's sake, to the 5 months of the 5-6th trumps

    if it were merely speaking about the length of the day, shortened from 24-16 hours
    then that wouldn't really be for the elect's sake.
     
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