She had a swastika painted on her garage. And she's leaving it there.

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From talking to feminists, from reading their comment sections. From hearing testimony from various ex-feminists. From hearing why white supremacists hate black people and etc and noticing the very similar mindsets they have for why many feminists try to spread fear about men. That the current black activist seem to be so infused with feminism. Hearing black men who are anti-feminists speak about how feminism borrows many of the same toxic attitudes that racists do.
You do realize that people in comment sections and stuff are more likely to be extreme because they tend to be more outspoken, right? There are plenty of feminists like myself who aren't extreme, totally in-your-face, or otherwise unduly obnoxious/jerk-y.

My sister is very into third-wave feminism and while I think she can be a bit too extreme at times, she's mostly pretty down to Earth about it. She's more about statistics and science than screaming at random men about oppression.

I'm certainly not excusing the men who are joining or flirting with neo-Nazism but I just fail to see how this result isn't going to happen. White men have feelings too, we don't like being demonized anymore than anyone else.
White man here. I've literally never been demonized for my gender or race, unless you count cases where they were using my gender to try to demonize supposedly unmanly behavior (like saying that I'm a "sissy" for liking strawberry daiquiris).

The fact is, treating men and women as equals, and people of all races as equals, does not hurt white men. It just means that we'll have more non-white, non-male presidents. (Women make up 50% of the US population and still manage to have never been elected president. But of course society doesn't have any gender discrimination at all!)

If the average complain-y white dude experienced a tenth of what the average black person experiences, as far as discrimination and prejudice and stuff goes, they would probably start crying or something. Is it bad to call them crybabies?
 
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You do realize that people in comment sections and stuff are more likely to be extreme because they tend to be more outspoken, right? There are plenty of feminists like myself who aren't extreme, totally in-your-face, or otherwise unduly obnoxious/jerk-y.

My sister is very into third-wave feminism and while I think she can be a bit too extreme at times, she's mostly pretty down to Earth about it. She's more about statistics and science than screaming at random men about oppression.

Yeah I should have been more in depth. I've had family members who were feminist that were toxic (thankfully some of them are anti-feminists now..) people I meet in public. Can't say I've met much better on this very forum. The level of toxicity certainly isn't the same. I don't waste my time with the incredible delusional ones you find on tumblr, but more you commonly find on mainstream websites like Buzzfeed and Facebook. I don't bring up the odd example of a feminist calling for "genocide" of males. Because that doesn't really represent a worrying population.

White man here. I've literally never been demonized for my gender or race, unless you count cases where they were using my gender to try to demonize supposedly unmanly behavior (like saying that I'm a "sissy" for liking strawberry daiquiris).

Can't say I've had the same experience.

The fact is, treating men and women as equals, and people of all races as equals, does not hurt white men. It just means that we'll have more non-white, non-male presidents. (Women make up 50% of the US population and still manage to have never been elected president. But of course society doesn't have any gender discrimination at all!)

Not making that claim. I just find many feminists who take the idea of gender discrimination too far. As far as Hillary is concerned I think she had a fair chance at the White House. Any sexist offset was probably met by sexist support, lol.

If the average complain-y white dude experienced a tenth of what the average black person experiences, as far as discrimination and prejudice and stuff goes, they would probably start crying or something. Is it bad to call them crybabies?

Not sure how I'd measure that. I've never been in the business of saying black people have it easy. One of the benefits of modern feminism is probably the opportunity for white men to have some experience of what it's like to be feared and hated for their gender in a relation to black people. Not that it hasn't existed in some form, but I can't think of a time where it's been stronger than now.

Like I said before, many of the feminist hysteria regarding men mirrors well the hysteria many racists have towards minorities. Although if you want to solve these problems it's not going to be helpful to subject men to this hysteria. I fail to see how even black men don't suffer from modern feminism.

You can't have feminists feeling free to openly say they're afraid to walk on the same street with men in the dark and not expect racists to feel like they can say similar things about how black people and their fears. It's just not going to work. You can't control bigotry like that.
 
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From talking to feminists, from reading their comment sections. From hearing testimony from various ex-feminists. From hearing why white supremacists hate black people and etc and noticing the very similar mindsets they have for why many feminists try to spread fear about men. That the current black activist seem to be so infused with feminism. Hearing black men who are anti-feminists speak about how feminism borrows many of the same toxic attitudes that racists do.

I'm certainly not excusing the men who are joining or flirting with neo-Nazism but I just fail to see how this result isn't going to happen. White men have feelings too, we don't like being demonized anymore than anyone else. Many white men are feeling unfairly attacked and ridiculed. Worst of all it's perceived to mainly be coming from social justice advocates. This kind of rejected population is ripe for being exploited by nefarious groups such as neo-Nazis. Many neo-Nazis who are openly admitting that this current social justice climate is making it easier for them to spread their message.

So let me paraphrase to ensure I understand your position. You are saying that because some of the people who are SJW are so extreme in their positions it ends up that people who are not full on nazi's but have some sympathetic positions (or even just feel on the fence) find themselves feeling attacked and are turned off by the extremism. As a natural consequence of this they move towards the other side when they might not if they did not feel demonized. Is that correct?
 
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So let me paraphrase to ensure I understand your position. You are saying that because some of the people who are SJW are so extreme in their positions it ends up that people who are not full on nazi's but have some sympathetic positions (or even just feel on the fence) find themselves feeling attacked and are turned off by the extremism. As a natural consequence of this they move towards the other side when they might not if they did not feel demonized. Is that correct?

It isn't just about the more extreme SJW people, but the sheer numbers who exhibit often hypocritical behavior towards white men. Many white men don't feel like they have any input in the subject of social justice. Sure we should listen to the experiences of women and minorities but many take it to far where they expect white men to just sit there and be allies and never raise an objection. Not to mention the fact, that men do have their own issues too. Why when white men have ruled western society? I'd say while racist attitude is more culture sexism is more biological. The latter of which isn't always trying to find ways to benefit itself.

Many such men tell me this is the reason they started on a more right-wing path. They wanted to interact with a community where they had more of a voice. Sadly such communities are sometimes more sympathetic towards racist views. Many of these men angered by how they're treated probably take those similar attitudes towards those of other races. You can't really take a more "I'll show you" attitude to SJWs than that.
 
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No one should be able to say these types of racist and ethic crimes are not occurring more often than even two years ago. Something/s have set off these behaviors.

Actually, when these goofballs get smaller in numbers, they get a little scared and they get louder and bolder with their actions.
 
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I know you're an atheist, but I couldn't help but think of 1 Peter 3:9 "Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing."

Protester hugs a Nazi in Florida, pleads 'Why do you hate me?'

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You realize that the exact same guy got punched in the face by a black man just moments later, right?
 
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They've already stated why they're emboldened. Whether or not the president deliberately sought this support is another question.

David Duke: Charlottesville protests about ‘fulfilling promises of Donald Trump’

White supremacists say a lot of things...just because a lot of the media likes to tie them to Trump doesn't mean he singlehandedly raised their numbers. Richard Spencer ties their increase in numbers directly to identity politics...

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/02/ti...ics-its-dragging-the-progressive-agenda-down/
 
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Demanding that white supremacy remain enshrined in government and society is not pride. Unfortunately, there is no shortage of people running to be their sympathetic supporters.

And there you have the root of the problem..."white supremacy" used to be a term that only applied to the beliefs of white supremacists. Now there's a huge group who claims it applies to everything europeans have done since the first explorers discovered the Americas.

"White supremacy" isn't "enshrined" in the government or society.
 
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If the average complain-y white dude experienced a tenth of what the average black person experiences, as far as discrimination and prejudice and stuff goes, they would probably start crying or something. Is it bad to call them crybabies?

I would say it's bad...yeah...either all racism, discrimination, bigotry is bad and should be called out for what it is...or it isn't.

I tend to think it's all bad...even when it perpetrated against whites. You certainly wouldn't call the woman in the OP story a "crybaby" would you?
 
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I’m unsure of the point you’re trying to make.

It's sad really, cuz that had the potential to be a really powerful image of love in the face of hate...possibly showing the soft-minded which side is wrong.


When you follow it up with picture of a black man punching his face...you lose all that.
 
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I find it hilarious that neo-Nazis tried to murder people after the Richard Spencer event and we have people saying the real issue are counter protesters to neo-Nazism. They simply ignore their crimes because someone threw a punch. Neo-Nazis are leaving threatening graffiti on homes and the problem is that liberals are saying Nazism is bad. We'll ignore the actual crimes being committed to argue that people's feelings are hurt.
 
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For the record...

If people were on this thread saying that it was good for nazis to use political violence and wrong for counter protesters to do so...I'd be pointing out why they are wrong.

As it stands, I've only seen people defending/normalizing/minimizing the counter protesters using political violence...so I point out why they are wrong.
 
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Totally different context. We don't live in a third Reich. They'll never fully disappear, but there ways of dealing with social justice issues that won't inflame their growth and presence.


"Hey guys! What if....antifa and people who try to bring about equality are the real bad guys here?

I'm just so smart, I can't contain myself"
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"Hey guys! What if....antifa and people who try to bring about equality are the real bad guys here?

I'm just so smart, I can't contain myself"
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What if antifa isn't actually about bringing real equality?

You know just because someone claims to stand for something doesn't mean they actually do. Lol.

You can also have more than one bad guy. I know nuance is scary for some but yeah, that's how the real world often is..
 
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What if antifa isn't actually about bringing real equality?

You know just because someone claims to stand for something doesn't mean they actually do. Lol.

You can also have more than one bad guy. I know nuance is scary for some but yeah, that's how the real world often is..

Just as Spencer can cry crocodile tears about "mah freeze peach!" in order to attract gullible centrists who think that "the truth is in the middle".
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Just as Spencer can cry crocodile tears about "mah freeze peach!" in order to attract gullible centrists who think that "the truth is in the middle".
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Even though I've had the same positions regarding the importance of free speech before I've heard of Richard Spencer.. like he's fooling me retroactively? Lol..

Hey you know that in the US free speech is going to prevail anyways. Might censor some people in some stupid universities but in the long run this whining about free expression is going nowhere.. lol.
 
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I do find it humorous when people make the comment "Richard Spencer needs another punch in the face." I'm like.. "hasn't that event elevated his career enough already?".

Not that he probably enjoyed that smack in the face, but it's hard to not think in a future autobiography of his that he won't write about that incidence with a hint of fondness.. lol.

I'm sure SJWs will find new ways to give him an ever larger spotlight and presence.

But yeah, let's not criticize antifa or anything. We should focus all energy on virtue signaling about why Nazis are bad. Just spin around in circles.
 
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I think this article sums it up better than I can. Condemning antifa because a window was broken in Berkeley or because they might harm a poor Nazi by punching him is normalization.

No, Antifa is not the moral equivalent of neo-Nazis

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Neo-Nazis are not "fine people", nor are they "victims". They are, aptly put, scum. There must be no equivocation, no obfuscation, no shading on this score from any quarter, at any time, for any reason.

To do otherwise is to provide succour to the philosophical descendants of genocidal murderers, who, given the opportunity, would relish enslaving and, once again, executing, wholesale, Jews, Muslims, Roma, homosexuals, the infirm, other vulnerable minorities and, yes, liberals.

Richard Spencer and his verminous brethren are, no doubt, chortling at the profoundly preposterous but increasingly popular media-propelled construct that the Antifa is as pathological as the fascists it reviles.

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