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Teaching (no posting) Sharing relevant Teachings and Insights from various Spirit-filled believers.

Discussion in 'Spirit-Filled / Charismatic' started by Victor E., Sep 21, 2017.

  1. Victor E.

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  2. Victor E.

    Victor E. Disciple of Christ Supporter

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    The Lake of Fire is real. There's no doubt about that place of eternal fire.

    However, hell (Sheol) can also be a state of being or a condition without God's grace.

    We know this because Jonah was in hell, in the belly of the great fish.

    Jonah ran away from God when God called him to preach the message of repentance to that great city of Ninevah.

    By disobeying God, Jonah brought judgment on himself and it would have also been brought on the sailors who were piloting the ship He was running away on (Jonah 1).

    The sailors threw him into the sea so they would be spared from the mighty tempest that THE LORD sent upon them and the mighty tempest stopped.

    '1 Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,

    2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

    3 For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.

    4 Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.

    5 The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.

    6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

    7 When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.

    8 They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.

    9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.

    10 And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.'

    Jonah 2 (KJV)

    I'm sharing this to also reveal that it's not always a specific sin that brings us out of the grace of God but it could also be if we step out of His calling for our life.

    There have been times I've tried to run from God but it never ended well for me.

    Some of us may take longer to break down because we are more spiritually courageous (even in our ignorance) but eventually, I like to believe that God loves us too much to allow us to stay in that place of hell.

    It is the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering that leads the believer to repentance (Romans 2:4).

    This Scripture mentioning the purpose of the goodness of God is actually part of a letter addressed towards those called to belong to Jesus Christ (Romans 1:1-7).

    I'm not convinced it is written for the unbeliever. The unbeliever needs the Truth of the Gospel.
  3. Victor E.

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    When I say Church I'm talking about a body of believers gathered together for fellowship in Christ.

    Should believers go to Church?

    (1 Corinthians 12:18, Hebrews 10:23-25, Romans 13:1).


    Believers must go to a Church of some kind.

    Does that need to be in a 501(c)(3) governed, controlled, and operated Church building?

    No. It doesn't.

    (Acts of the Apostles 2:46, Acts of the Apostles 5:42, Acts of the Apostles 8:3, Philemon 1, Romans 16:5).

    House Churches are Biblically valid.

    Also, if you miss Church for some reason, this doesn't make you a terrible sinner.

    It does mean you have an opportunity to go next time.

    By the way, whatever Church you go to, you are still accountable for your own soul.

    The Pastor, Apostle, Bishop, Elder, Prophet, Evangelist, or Teacher etc. cannot save you.

    Only Jesus can save you, if you allow Him to.

    So wherever you have fellowship, you (also) remain accountable for whatever doctrine or teaching you submit yourself under.

    False Prophets and False Teachers do get judged and the people's blood who followed them will be on their hands (2 Peter 2:1-3, Ezekiel 33:1-20).

    However, everyone is still accountable for their own decisions and especially if there were real Prophets and real Teachers showing them the right way to go and they didn't choose it.

    One of the most important things to look for in a Church is a (real) loving atmosphere and loving people.

    Where the Holy Spirit is present there is..

    1. Relationship.

    2. Forgiveness of sin.

    3. Powerful worship.

    4. Demonstration of the supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit.

    5. Freedom to speak in tongues.

    6. Order in the service.

    7. Room for a variety of the five-fold graces (expository preaching and teaching of Biblical doctrine).

    Some of you are still trying to find the perfect Church but if all there is to choose from is 'imperfect Churches'..

    Either start your own Church or do something to help make that 'imperfect Church' better.

    Now some Churches are beyond help and have been given over to religious indoctrination and idolatry but you don't need to worry about them because they will only reap what they've sown. God is not mocked.
  4. Victor E.

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    5 reasons I have found that don't permit believers to step into spiritual truths about the severity or wrath of God.

    1. Catholic upbringing.

    2. Father wounds when they were younger.

    3. Painful experience with ultra-legalistic Churches.

    4. Painful experience with an abusive spiritual leader (such as a Pastor).

    5. Painful experience with significant other (like an abusive husband or boyfriend).

    In each of these instances, there was wounding caused by some kind of spiritual authority.

    In their subconscious, there is then a defensive aversion to addressing the spiritual realities about God's wrath or God's severity.

    It is like a veil over the heart that does not allow Jesus to come in and reveal the other part of His nature which is the Lion of Judah.

    Over time, if these things are not healed from, they will mature into a very one-sided perspective of God's nature and it will be almost impossible to bring them out of that.

    Inner-healing is important but if you can't receive Biblical Truth then you can't be free because it is the truth that sets you free.

    The truth is, YHWH is not one-sided.

    There are many facets to His nature. Many Consider God to be love but by 'love' they mean compassion. Compassion is simply not all there is to God.

    We quote this following verse often to justify extremist perspectives of God's nature towards the 'compassion' side.

    'He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love' 1 John 4:8

    However, that verse only points to a facet of God's nature (what the English word 'love' connotates - compassion).

    While it is a fundamental part of God's nature, it does not speak to the other facets of His nature.

    I need to share this because love without covenant is just spiritual prostitution (what Judas Iscariot had - love without covenant).

    How can a wife claim to love her husband if she sleeps around with a completely different man? In truth, she can't.

    In the same way, a Church cannot really claim to love God if it sleeps around with completely different perspectives or belief systems about the nature of God.

    While I believe in the love of God I reject the extremist and tunnel-visioned views that many believers have presented as 'truth' because they are false.

    When believers don't study their Bible, they will be led only by their emotions and feelings and that is where the devil works his greatest deceptions...through emotions and feelings.

    In the garden of Eden when Eve saw the tree and the forbidden fruit, she was deceived by her emotions and her feelings (Genesis 3:6).

    'And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.' (1 Timothy 2:14).

    My point is, don't be like Eve.
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    Under the New Covenant protocol, you will not find a command to give 10% (20%) of your money to a Church.

    I want to share 4 points.

    1. Jesus spoke of tithe and while it seems like a good argument it is not sound, considering the fact that Christ was born under the Law.

    'But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law' (Gal. 4:4)

    (Matt. 23:23; Luke 11:42; Matt. 5:23–24)

    2. There are several Scriptures that command the Church to support those who preach the Gospel.

    (Matt. 10:10; Luke 10:7; 1 Cor. 9:6-14; 1 Tim. 5:17-18)

    3. We are called to be generous to those in need.

    (1 Tim. 6:17-19; 2 Cor. 8:9; Acts 2:43-47; Gal. 2:10)

    4. We should not give out of reluctance or compulsion but give cheerfully only as we have decided in our hearts because God loves a cheerful giver (2 Cor. 9:6-9).

    If you sow sparingly, you reap sparingly.

    So, 10% (20%) tithe is NOT Scriptural for the New Covenant dispensation.

    However, from what we can gather from Scripture 10% tithe is actually very meager considering all the other Scriptures on giving (if you have it to give).

    Lastly, I need to say that it really matters where you sow your seed (money) because everyone asks for money to support their 'ministry' but not everyone's 'ministry' is the same.

    Some ministries are blessed ground and you may very well get a good (financial) return for partnering with them (that's Biblical - Luke 6:38). There's a reason some believers throw gobs of money at fruitful ministries.

    Other ministries are on cursed ground, and not only will you not get any return for your sowing...you might incur judgment for partnering with witchcraft (rebellion).

    My advice is, don't sow your seed (money) carelessly to just any yahoo that asks for it. That's very unwise.

    You worked hard for it and it's the believer's responsibility to steward well what God has blessed them with.

    Money is a very precious resource and I wouldn't recommend sowing to any ministry that doesn't have supernatural power behind it confirming the Word.

    'And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen' Mark 16:20 (KJV)

    The truth is, the Church as a whole throws ludicrous amounts of money at ministries that aren't really doing anything or going anywhere (like millions of dollars wasted on carnal ministries).

    Now is a REALLY good time to start being a fruit inspector and be operating in your discernment.

    Also, I don't know who this is for but if you don't have the money to give...maybe stop giving and being manipulated by the warlocks demanding you give x amount of your income if that's making you go hungry, go thirsty, or not having a place to live. That's called witchcraft when a minister manipulates you into delusional thinking. Some of these ministers operate in witchcraft and they don't even know they're doing that but they are on very thin ice. Let's think for ourselves and use our common sense. God is a giver so why would He force you into a place of lack? He wouldn't but the thief (devil) is the one who comes to steal, kill, and destroy (John 10:10).
  7. Victor E.

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    The Truth is, the Church has dishonored and undermined the vital importance of the 5-fold ministry.

    The purpose of the 5-fold is to help grow up and perfect the saints to maturity.

    This isn't a competition and a lot of the fakes have mocked, scorned, and undermined what God has instituted for the Church's well-being.

    Now, these lying ministers are stuck wondering why every door has been shut and every breakthrough they were about to receive has been mocked and scorned.

    Well, it's because they are not staying in their own lane and they mocked and scorned the real 5-fold ministers.

    Do what you're called to do but don't step where you weren't called or there will be consequences.

    Every real 5-fold minister right now is being plagued by overly fattened sheep who have grown spiritually obese on nothing but encouragement and promises of God's providence, goodness, and 'breakthrough'.

    This is why these sheep speak great swelling words, feeding themselves without fear.

    The damage from ministers going outside their lane is catastrophic and it is one of the greatest sins in the Church right now.

    We have ministers with ENORMOUS influence stepping in places that were not appointed for them to step in and they're puzzled as to why they keep getting shut down in their ministerial endeavors.

    It's because God HAS NOT done away with the 5-fold ministry and any minister who is saying this is guilty of prophesying falsely in the name of the Lord and they will be on lockdown until they repent.

    If you sow dishonor, you reap dishonor.

    Lastly, some of these ministers saying there's no such thing as Prophets for today...

    You will change your mind when you go into a season of silence and can't from God anymore on your own.

    Your ears will be shut so you can learn to honor God's Prophets.

    'Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets' Amos 3:7

    Let me tell you something, a real Prophet doesn't need another Prophet to hear from God. We do our own thing when God says to do it.

    Long story short, stop dishonoring the 5-fold.

    God is judging His house right now and those wicked Pastor's hindering the work of the Holy Spirit in churches across the world are on borrowed time.

    The truth is, there's a lot of fake Pastors doing Satan's work and claiming they're working for God but the Scripture says that even Satan's ministers masquerade as ministers of righteousness.

    If the devil takes them out, then maybe that's who they were working for.
  8. Victor E.

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    They are spraying aluminum, strontium, lithium etc. on us from the sky. Those chemtrails are 100% part of Satans plan to weaken and attack the health of the saints.

    Yeah, sleeping Christians don't want us to talk about Satan's devices because a spirit of delusion rests upon them for being drunk with the drunkards in a spiritual stupor.

    We are not called to be in a spiritual stupor but to be sober-minded and vigilant because the devil prowls this countryside as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

    Just like they got these FEMA camps and graves in the woodworks for a later time.

    Baby, I already know this because God also took me up in the Spirit to show me that this earth is flat as a pancake with a dome cover.

    I've already seen the wickedness of the Satanic elite and their little schemes to take us out but I'm not even concerned with that because I'm seated in heavenly places and God's got my back.

    The safest place to be is near a man or woman of God because they're not getting taken out until God says their work is over in this natural realm.

    For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.

    I'm concerned for those born with a silver spoon in their mouth because the world can be a cruel place when you haven't really been exposed to it.

    Sheltered Christians.

    Don't come on here to lecture me in theology if you haven't paid a price to go on the streets where these homeless are dying and overdosing every day on heroin and ice, and the Churches are having their own little social club with the doors shut.

    If you've never laid hands on the sick to pray for healing and watched them recover or cast demons from people who needed deliverance or brought the dead to life.

    If you've never had a gun pulled on you, been assaulted, received death threats or multiple near-death experiences when only God's grace kept you alive to see another day.

    It seems like everyone wants to be a Christian until it's time to do what real Christians do.

    It's not really persecution to have someone say mean things to you.

    In the Bible, the Apostles went hungry, were beaten, stoned, whipped, beheaded, killed, thrown into prison etc.

    Yet, many Apostles of today live in mansions, they got nice cars to show off, they have private jets, they have fame and notoriety, they have beautiful families and everything they could ever want.

    And most of them are fake.

    I don't say much about my experiences but some of ya'll worship men and women of God who don't even really know the Jesus of the Bible as well as they think they do.

    Especially the women who idolize these men of God with that same spirit of divination that the little slave girl had when she followed the Apostle Paul and Silas.

    Always learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the Truth. What do you know about truth? The only way to know the real truth is to walk in the truth.

    Don't be falling asleep now, that fire's about to be heated up 7 times hotter so make sure you got that 4th man in there with you. His name is Jesus Christ and He's got all power and authority.
  9. Victor E.

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    'But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you' - Jesus

    Luke 11:20 (KJV)

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    Last edited: Nov 30, 2019
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    Prophetic word.

    The Holy Spirit is into ministerial relationships.

    Kingdom relationships give Kingdom results.

    In order to have a real connection, it is important to be cut from the same cloth.

    This means that you have to have a similar 'spirit' or 'heart' in the way you function or the way you operate.

    Basically, to be of one mind in your convictions.

    The Scripture says if this particular agreement is not present...the ministers can't walk together and supplement each other's gifts in tandem.

    'Can two walk together, except they be agreed?' Amos 3:3

    If you hold a conference, webinar, or any other kind of joint operation in the Lord...the connection has to be there.

    I'm sorry but birds of a feather flock together!

    '19 “Again I say to you, that if two believers on earth agree [that is, are of one mind, in harmony] about anything that they ask [within the will of God], it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.

    20 For where two or three are gathered in My name [meeting together as My followers], I am there among them.'

    Matthew 18:19-20 (AMP)

    It is important not to be unequally yoked in ministerial operations.

    Let me paint a picture.

    You wouldn't yoke up an ox and a donkey to work together in a field.


    Because they are two different kinds of creature.

    Instead, you would yoke 2 pair oxen or 2 pair donkey together to labor in the field no?

    Actually, when Noah led the animals onto the Ark he led them two by two and they were of the same kind.

    In the same way, Jesus sent out the seventy-two disciples in pairs and they were united in 'spirit' and 'heart'.

    '17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in Your name.' Luke 10:17

    This is because the Lord Jesus understood by the wisdom of the Word that there must be a unity in purpose to have a harmonious flow of glory.


    Just because you like someone or admire their gift doesn't mean you two are compatible!!

    The Holy Spirit is into ministerial relationships..when they are of one accord and one mind.

    'Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind' Philippians 2:2

    Be wise!
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2019
  15. Victor E.

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    If there's one word of Wisdom I can give to those of you who have a particular gift to serve the Body of Christ with.

    Never ever let some stranger who you don't know come and disrupt and dishonor the Holy Spirit who's actually empowering that gift.

    It's not about you it's about the Holy Spirit who lives in you and this is where people will misunderstand your motives.

    I don't even have the most popular reputation (actually I'm probably very disliked by now) but I know better than to tolerate someone coming on here to start interfering with the work of the Holy Spirit.

    Stop letting people dishonor you when you're operating in your metron (measure) of grace!

    It doesn't matter if they're your best friend or not, you gotta own what you carry.

    The Holy Spirit is empowering the gift so when they start speaking nonsense...they are actually dishonoring the Holy Spirit who gave you that gift to share.

    By now, I don't even care what people think about me but they're not going to dishonor and disrupt the Holy Spirit speaking through me.

    If you are wise, you would do the same or no one will ever respect you as a minister and you definitely won't grow in your gifting because you done allowed them to dishonor the Holy Spirit too many times!!

    I had to learn this the hard way.

    'Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men'

    Matthew 5:13

    When I was a young Christian, I would get so offended that these ministers who I was friends with just treated me like a common person.

    Actually what was really going on was they were guarding the work of the Holy Spirit and honoring the metron of grace that they were walking in.

    Man, some of ya'll be letting carnal Christians trample all over the anointing on your life in the name of 'love' and 'peace'.

    I'm sorry but the Holy Ghost is about glorifying Christ and He doesn't want anyone getting in His way!

    This will bless some of you because you think it's arrogance but it's actually humility you've been walking in this whole time!

    As for the rest of you who was convicted by the word...please remember. Baby, it's not personal..it's just Kingdom!!
  16. Victor E.

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    There isn't any real Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Teacher or Pastor that wants to cast their pearls before swine.

    A lot of times what gets ministers into a slump is the ungratefulness of the people they minister to.

    Jesus left a specific word to His disciples.

    'Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you'

    Matthew 7:6

    Basically, stop sowing and sharing your precious things to the ungrateful or you will open up your heart for bitterness to come in.

    We live in such an entitled and thankless generation.

    The truth is, there will always be ungrateful people who will come to your page to take what is good and you won't even know they were there.

    A person of integrity will always honor or give credit to the one he received something from but to find a person of integrity in this generation..it is a rarity.

    Here is what the Apostle Paul said to the Jews when He realized that He was wasting precious time ministering to them.

    '5 And when Silas and Timothy came down from Macedonia, Paul devoted himself fully to the word, testifying to the Jews that Jesus is the Christ.

    6 But when they opposed and insulted him, he shook out his garments and told them, “Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent of it. From now on I will go to the Gentiles'

    Acts 18:5-6

    Hmm..seems like Paul remembered the word of Christ. There's no benefit in staying where what you carry isn't received or welcome.

    The truth is, some of you ministers would do well to stop casting your pearls before swine and invest more time with people who appreciate and celebrate the glory you carry.

    Truthfully, who wants to share precious things to thankless people?

    Only a foolish minister would do that.

    The devil's got some of ya'll in hiding because right now there's a lot of backbiting, gossiping, and fox wedge (divisive) spirits but all you need to do is reach out to a people who will genuinely honor you.

    Also, when you take something that doesn't belong to you...the person you take it from gets the reward in heaven so all you're doing is helping them in the long run.

    'But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.'

    Matthew 19:30

    I love to share this word because it's going to bring justice to so many of ya'll who have suffered at the hands of anointing and glory leeches.

    They really just been helping you the whole time baby!
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