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Not surprising. We seem to be living in a world where there are too many people who are certain about uncertain things; and who think that since they believe it, it's certain truth. I encounter a constant deluge of people who are not only certain about their own understanding of their religion, but are even expert certaintists in what others believe, without even having to look into the matter at all.

I believe that "certain their understanding is certainly the correct understanding" is the first checkbox in the criteria for determining a person who couldn't care less about the truth of the matter.
 
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We seem to be living in a world where there are too many people who are certain about uncertain things; and who think that since they believe it, it's certain truth
That's right.
People are looking for certainty, and there are plenty of charlatans willing to play the "I know the truth, don't worry" role.
 
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Yassmin loudly proclaimed that Sharia law requires one to live according to the law in the various countries.
Yet we do see Muslims taking the law into their own hands in the countries that they live. Not all of them. Just a minority rogue bunch who proclaim it is Allah's will to kill non-believers.
 
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Shariah Law has 2 main aspects. Criminal Law, which has no place outside of any Muslim Country, and Civil Law covering business agreements, divorce, inheritance and other family matters. Here is the UK we have Courts that practice the latter, as English Law allows. Jews too have their Beth Din Courts covering exactly the same issues. In fact under English Law any 2 parties can call upon a agreed mediator and settle non criminal matters, as this reduces strain from official Court rooms. There has been a call for more women to take up arbitrary positions with shariah Courts, as often there is bias in favour of the man.
 
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Here is a clip from an Aussie TV panel debate. I'm kind of ashamed of the Aussie woman's POV, to be honest as she knows little about the Muslim religion.
Never mind Sharia law, whatever it is, for clearly it is indefinable, and can mean completely diffferent things to different people.

Islam is extremely offensive, inter alia, because it is predicated on a Koran-licensed contempt for non-Islamic women. In the ultra liberal UK this has caused a vast number of problems where white women come into contact with muslim men, who apply Islamic doctrines.

Islam is just an endless issue for non-muslims who have to live alongside it. Moreover muslims require a vast amount of social security benefit because they cannot support the vast numbers of progeny they produce. Also keeping them in jail is extremely expensive. At Whitemoor prison in Cambridgeshire, 44 per cent of the 447 inmates are Muslim. Of France's 64,000 prisoners, up to 60% are Muslim. (Muslims are thought to compose only 8% of the population. Muslims made up 9% of the 1,598,780 state and federal prisoners in the United States. Pew reported that as of 2010, about 0.8% of the U.S. population was Muslim.

Given that muslims are a huge burden on any society in which they reside, I would fully agree with the lady's POV.
 
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Never mind Sharia law, whatever it is, for clearly it is indefinable, and can mean completely diffferent things to different people.

Islam is extremely offensive, inter alia, because it is predicated on a Koran-licensed contempt for non-Islamic women. In the ultra liberal UK this has caused a vast number of problems where white women come into contact with muslim men, who apply Islamic doctrines.

Islam is just an endless issue for non-muslims who have to live alongside it. Moreover muslims require a vast amount of social security benefit because they cannot support the vast numbers of progency they produce. Also keeping them in jail is extremely expensive. At Whitemoor prison in Cambridgeshire, 44 per cent of the 447 inmates are Muslim. Of France's 64,000 prisoners, up to 60% are Muslim. (Muslims are thought to compose only 8% of the population. Muslims made up 9% of the 1,598,780 state and federal prisoners in the United States. Pew reported that as of 2010, about 0.8% of the U.S. population was Muslim.

Given that muslims are a huge burden on any society in which they reside, I would fully agree with the lady's POV.

Those are social economic issues and unrelated to religion. In America they have a much less generous benefits system ensuring people who are able bodied go out to work. The same is true of much of Europe. There needs to be Laws stipulating 2-5% of the workforce should be made up of qualified ethnic minorities to ensure everyone willing is given an opportunity to work and contribute towards the Government coffers.

A good many Muslims in American Prisons, don't go in as Muslims, but convert out of convenience, better perceived treatment, time out for prayers and the sense of brotherhood.
 
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There needs to be Laws stipulating 2-5% of the workforce should be made up of qualified ethnic minorities to ensure everyone willing is given an opportunity to work and contribute towards the Government coffers.
Muslim Women 71% More Likely To Be Unemployed; 20% Muslims are in full-time employment (compared to 35% of the general population);
46% of the Muslim population lives in the 10% most deprived local authority districts in England and this has increased since the 2001 census;
For the ages group 25 - 49, 57% of Muslim women are in employment compared with 80% of women overall.

However, none of this particularly matters compared to the abolition of true Christian doctrine in schools, laws, and in public life that had been fomented on the back of politically orchestrated national religious suicide occasioned by insisting that Islam be treated as on a par with Christianity. That is death to Christianity, but life to Islam.

The Tony Blairs and Neocons of this world insisted that Islam was another faith, after the Necon Pope does now, and be afforded the same or equal respect as Christianity. Islam became beyond criticism. In Britain no public figure, including any churchman, dare criticize Islam. Yet it is no faith but mere hope that legalistic observance of whatever law is deemed appropriate will lead to salvation. This is nothing to do with Christian faith. It is not comparable. It is a religion that our forefathers in Britain never knew. Britain's apostasy from Christianity is based on acceptance of Islam, which started long ago with its flirtation with the Ottoman Empire in 1854-56 to fight the Crimean War against Russia.

If you want to hasten national religious suicide, invite Islam in and it will happen.

 
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Muslim Women 71% More Likely To Be Unemployed; 20% Muslims are in full-time employment (compared to 35% of the general population);
46% of the Muslim population lives in the 10% most deprived local authority districts in England and this has increased since the 2001 census;
For the ages group 25 - 49, 57% of Muslim women are in employment compared with 80% of women overall.

However, none of this particularly matters compared to the abolition of true Christian doctrine in schools, laws, and in public life that had been fomented on the back of politically orchestrated national religious suicide occasioned by insisting that Islam be treated as on a par with Christianity. That is death to Christianity, but life to Islam.

The Tony Blairs and Neocons of this world insisted that Islam was another faith, after the Necon Pope does now, and be afforded the same or equal respect as Christianity. Islam became beyond criticism. In Britain no public figure, including any churchman, dare criticize Islam. Yet it is no faith but mere hope that legalistic observance of whatever law is deemed appropriate will lead to salvation. This is nothing to do with Christian faith. It is not comparable. It is a religion that our forefathers in Britain never knew. Britain's apostasy from Christianity is based on acceptance of Islam, which started long ago with its flirtation with the Ottoman Empire in 1854-56 to fight the Crimean War against Russia.

If you want to hasten national religious suicide, invite Islam in and it will happen.
Can you cite your sources, as I would like to compare with other orthodox religious groups.
 
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Shariah Law has 2 main aspects. Criminal Law, which has no place outside of any Muslim Country, and Civil Law covering business agreements, divorce, inheritance and other family matters. Here is the UK we have Courts that practice the latter, as English Law allows. Jews too have their Beth Din Courts covering exactly the same issues. In fact under English Law any 2 parties can call upon a agreed mediator and settle non criminal matters, as this reduces strain from official Court rooms. There has been a call for more women to take up arbitrary positions with shariah Courts, as often there is bias in favour of the man.

Do you think that, given the opportunity to do so, it would be the norm for a Muslim citizen of a western democracy to vote to have that country become a Muslim country? If such a referendum passed is it your opinion that then the country would be subject to Sharia Law Criminal Law in the same way as any other Muslim country?
 
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Do you think that, given the opportunity to do so, it would be the norm for a Muslim citizen of a western democracy to vote to have that country become a Muslim country? If such a referendum passed is it your opinion that then the country would be subject to Sharia Law Criminal Law in the same way as any other Muslim country?

That scenario would never happen. We have a few groups in Europe who have extremist views and call for Full Shariah to be implemented, but these people are shunned by ordinary Muslims and not allowed into Mosques to preach their misaligned views. There are many Countries around the World, which are over 80% Muslim, yet do not have Shariah Law for criminal cases.
Application of Islamic law by country - Wikipedia

Of course when Jesus pbuh returns and kills the Anti Christ, he will establish a World Governed by GOD's Law. That is something recorded in all 3 Abrahamic faiths.
 
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Check out the percentage of each group in the USA, over against the determination that 50% of the USA will be non-caucasian by 2050. What are the odds that municipal, county, and state governments would be electing minorities to legislative positions starting now and in 2050. Check out the inclination of the courts, especially the Supreme Court in the USA, will over the next several years lean more and more to "equality" when it comes to selecting ordinances and statutes that lean toward international law. Based upon the composition of the United Nations, determine what legislative rules, polices and procedures will dominate the legal system of the USA. Measure all of that over against the demise of authentic Christianity in the USA.

When you get it all worked out, let me know. (Ouch! does that mean we have to measure it month-by-month? Wow! By the time we reach a conclusion, it will be too late.... and whose measurements will we determine to be "reliable".)
 
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I've not read all the previous posts, but did want to share a video update that Yassmin shared as a bit of an explanation (as she wasn't afforded that opportunity on air):

I think the problem is that Yassmin and Jacqui both "lost it". They got too angry on Q and A.
I'm starting to be really confused by the definition of Sharia Law. And starting to have doubts about the Muslim Religion in general. I just hope Australia doesn't experience the same problem as the UK.
Maybe we should restrict numbers of Muslims into Australia. Sounds like there are too many in the UK and that is the problem.
 
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Did you take the time to watch her short video?
Of course. It was very generalised. I find it hard to believe that feminism is widespread in the Muslim Religion. Her views may well represent only a small minority.
 
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Hi Bettercallpaul,

It's a bit on the long side (72 minutes), but the following talk addresses the issue of Shari'a law in the West (specific to the USA, since that's where the priest who gives the talk, Fr. Josiah Trenham, is based, but I would bet that it is applicable to Australia in most general terms as a Western country). It is from an Eastern Orthodox Christian perspective, and as that church been present in Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, etc. since the beginning of Islam, it provides a unique perspective that you probably won't hear elsewhere. Hopefully it can help you understand the issues surrounding shari'a in the West without the hyperbole and politicization that surrounds this topic in most Western countries. (Though I suppose some of that politicization is inherent in shari'a, being a law code and all...)

Islamic Sharia Law in America: An Orthodox Christian Perspective
 
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Hi Bettercallpaul,

It's a bit on the long side (72 minutes), but the following talk addresses the issue of Shari'a law in the West (specific to the USA, since that's where the priest who gives the talk, Fr. Josiah Trenham, is based, but I would bet that it is applicable to Australia in most general terms as a Western country). It is from an Eastern Orthodox Christian perspective, and as that church been present in Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, etc. since the beginning of Islam, it provides a unique perspective that you probably won't hear elsewhere. Hopefully it can help you understand the issues surrounding shari'a in the West without the hyperbole and politicization that surrounds this topic in most Western countries. (Though I suppose some of that politicization is inherent in shari'a, being a law code and all...)

Islamic Sharia Law in America: An Orthodox Christian Perspective
thanks dhezermi. I will definitely look at it. I'd like to hear your views too. Feel free!
 
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