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Good night. I hope you start understanding this. It is so simple a kindergartner can understand it.
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Good night. I hope you start understanding this. It is so simple a kindergartner can understand it.
Yes, we already agreed to that point untold times now. We have been over the depth of the Law of God in matters of the heart.Can't you understand if you deal with the core issue of hate, you can't murder???
No. Absolutely not. The flesh was lacking, not God's law.... The law was lacking.
Yes, we already agreed to that point untold times now. We have been over the depth of the Law of God in matters of the heart.
Now, do you not see, that in matters spiritual [since the whole of the Ten Commandments are spiritual, as Paul says] it works the same for the 4th Commandment the 7th Day the Sabbath of God's rest? For that which is kept in spirit, one will not desire to transgress the words thereof, but obey them?
The problem is, with your theology, is that it leads to ignoring the specific words of Exodus 20:8-11 KJB, rather than to keeping them.
No. Absolutely not. The flesh was lacking, not God's law.
Romans 8:3 KJB - For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Likewise:
Matthew 26:41 KJB - Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Thus Jesus Christ came in the flesh, and gave strength back.
Romans 8:3 KJB - For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh
I find it ironic that in Col 2 the poster is telling us that the shadow laws have been fulfilled and fulfilled meaning they were brought to an end, but in Matt 5:17 fulfil means something else. Something else because they believe they still are under the laws that have actually have been brought to an end.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
The so called "shadow laws" that someone dreamed up were still part of the words of the Sinai covenant. They were required to be kept just as were the ones written by God's own finger. By culling the "shadow laws" from the whole Law, those who are trying to do that are breaking Jesus words in verse 18. Not one jot until all, the whole law, be fulfilled.
You have done what Jesus has told us cannot be done. You have removed, brought to an end, part of the Law, something that cannot be done until all of the law be fulfilled.
Now the choice is yours. Did Jesus fulfil all of the law at Calvary. If He didn't how could He give us a new covenant to live by? The Jews destroyed the old covenant by breaking it, so the covenant became useless. Useless because it takes two parties to make a covenant agreement. When one fails to live up to the covenant the agreement ceases. That is why Paul could and did write 2Cor3:7-11. The 10 commandments were temporary commands. Temporary because the covenant was broken that the 10 commandments were part.
Your "shadow laws" are really a conundrum.
Now Bob, nice you see you here my friend but your post only shows you have not read the OP here. Can I suggest you read the OP before posting. Thanks for joining us here. Your always welcome.
In your OP you quoted Leviticus 23, but started at verse 4 after the first holy convocation which is the Sabbath. It too points to Jesus, and why Col. 2 Sabbath is the weekly Sabbath and was fulfilled in Christ.
Hello 1stcenturylady, you have not read the OP now have you?
If you read the OP you would know that Leviticus 23 was quoted in the OP in reference to COL 2:14-17 to show that there is special SHADOW sabaths attached to the annual feastivals that were not God's weekly SEVENTH DAY Sabbath of the 4th Commandment that had a different purpose then the weekly SEVENTH DAY SABBATH and were attached to certail festivals. These specials Sabbaths could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the year and the luna calander. These are the SHADOW Sabbaths in ORDINANCES being discussed from COL 2 not the 10 Commandment SEVENTH DAY Sabbath.
Let's look at the scriptures from Leviticus 23 which outlines the Shadow Sabbaths and the purpose of all the Sabbaths including God's 4th Commandment...
Question. What is the PURPOSE of God's Sabbath in the 4th commandment.....................
Exodus 20
8, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY?>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Answer. The PURPOSE of the 4th commandment is that it is given as a MEMORIAL of CREATION because God made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them and RESTED on the 7th DAY.
next............
Question. What is the PURPOSE of the "special" annual festival Sabbaths that can fall on any day of the week that were contained in ordinances in the book of Moses (2 Chron 8:12-13)...........
Leviticus 23
24, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a <special> sabbath, <any day of the week> a (1) memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
25, Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
24, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
25, Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
26, And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
27, Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a (2) day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
28, And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
29, For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
30, And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
31, Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
32, It shall be unto you a<special> sabbath of rest,<any day of the week> and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your <special> sabbath <any day of the week>.
33, And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
34, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the (3) feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
35, On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
36, Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
37, These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
38, Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
39, Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a <special> sabbath <any day of the week>, and on the eighth day shall be a <special> sabbath <any day of the week>.
40, And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees,4 branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
41, And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
42, Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:
43, That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
44, And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD.
Answer. The "special" Festival Sabbaths that could fall on any day of the week. They were ORDINACES commanded by Moses in the book of the law (2 Chron 8:12-13)
The PURPOSE of the special Sabbath of the (1) Feast of Trumpets was in preparation for the day of ATONEMENT for SIN for God's people to afflict themselves in REPENTANCE for SIN and a memorial of God giving his people the 10 commandments (Exodus 19:16-22) and a call for them to be a HOLY people.
This was follow by the special Sabbath of (2) Day Atonement once again a could fall on any day of the week. The PURPOSE of the DAY of ATONEMENT special Sabbath was once again affliction and repentance of SIN while the HIGH PRIEST ministered on behalf of the people of Israel.
This then was followed by the (3) Feast of Tabernacles this also included special Sabbaths that could fall on any day of the week. The PURPOSE of these special sabbaths was for remembrance of God's deliverance of God's people from the land of Egypt (the World)
So as can be shown above each of the SABBATHS not only being different in time and occurrence also were given for a specific PURPOSE!
Can you now see that the PURPOSE of all these SABBATHS are not the same?
I told you before that I read page one.
The reason why the ceremonial 4th commandment was put in the 10C was because it was the sign of that covenant. When the covenant ended, so did the sign. We are under a New Covenant AND a new sign of that covenant, the cup of the New Testament 1 Corinthians 11:25.
The OP is most of Page one and continuing but for COL 2 the first 5x posts.
NO God's 4th Commandment is NOT a ceremonial Sabbath as shown in the two posts above and the scriptures in them you have ignored.
Please provide the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is a ceremonial Sabbath?
Also, NO the sign of God's 4th commandment is a part of a PERPETUAL COVENANT (EVERLASTING) to God's people just as all the 10 Commandments are as shown in the two posts and supporting scriptures above.
Also, God's 4th Commandment cannot be a ceremonial law because it was written, on stone and given and spoken by God himself to his people. It does not come from the law of ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.
It cannot be a SHADOW law because it was made BEFORE SIN entered the world and before Gods plan of salvation and was a part of the FINISHED WORK of creation (Genesis 2:1-3)
For reference provided in this link is further supporting scriptures that show who God's ISRAEL is and that God's 4th Commandment is an EVERLASTING COVENANANT linked CLICK ME.
If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT promise. Gentiles are now gradted in (Romans 11:13-27)
There is a lot of scriptures already provided here that disagrees with you my friend, that you are simply choosing to ignore.
If you disagree please provide your reasons and scriptures showing why?
If you cannot we should BELIEVE the WORD of GOD over the traditions and teachings of men that break the commandments of God.
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The Sabbath was in remembrance of creation and is ceremonial. That is a fact. It also points to God's rest we have in the creator, Jesus and his grace, thus has been fulfilled. I understand you don't want to believe that. Fine, we'll just agree to disagree.
We will indeed have to agree to disagree you have no scripture for your teachings and you have been provided scripture that disagrees with what you are saying.
I've supplied plenty of scriptures, but you may have forgotten them, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Good night Aussie friend.
No you have not please show me the link with your supporting scriptures if I have missed it. Also, you have simply ignored the scriptures and posts that disagree with you. Now are you choosing to leave when challenged?
Hebrews 4
Col. 2
Galatians 3, 4, and 5
2 Cor. 3
1 John 3
Leviticus 23
Deuteronomy 31:13
Deuteronomy 34:28
And not one of those scriptures say that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day now do they? Or do any of them say God's 4th Commandment is a ceremonial law. I can see you are tired maybe we can talk mare after you get some rest
Leviticus 23 are ALL ceremonial. And I have NEVER said Sunday is a law.
Good night. Now I'm walking in my sleep...