SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT FULFILLED IN THE NEW? COL 2

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Can't you understand if you deal with the core issue of hate, you can't murder???
Yes, we already agreed to that point untold times now. We have been over the depth of the Law of God in matters of the heart.

Now, do you not see, that in matters spiritual [since the whole of the Ten Commandments are spiritual, as Paul says] it works the same for the 4th Commandment the 7th Day the Sabbath of God's rest? For that which is kept in spirit, one will not desire to transgress the words thereof, but obey them?

The problem is, with your theology, is that it leads to ignoring the specific words of Exodus 20:8-11 KJB, rather than to keeping them.

... The law was lacking.
No. Absolutely not. The flesh was lacking, not God's law.

Romans 8:3 KJB - For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:​

Likewise:

Matthew 26:41 KJB - Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.​

Thus Jesus Christ came in the flesh, and gave strength back.
 
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Yes, we already agreed to that point untold times now. We have been over the depth of the Law of God in matters of the heart.

Now, do you not see, that in matters spiritual [since the whole of the Ten Commandments are spiritual, as Paul says] it works the same for the 4th Commandment the 7th Day the Sabbath of God's rest? For that which is kept in spirit, one will not desire to transgress the words thereof, but obey them?

The problem is, with your theology, is that it leads to ignoring the specific words of Exodus 20:8-11 KJB, rather than to keeping them.

No. Absolutely not. The flesh was lacking, not God's law.

Romans 8:3 KJB - For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:​

Likewise:

Matthew 26:41 KJB - Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.​

Thus Jesus Christ came in the flesh, and gave strength back.

I've already said the law was holy. It showed us our sin. And that's the point. SIN. Sin is now the issue, not the law.

Jesus came to take away our SIN. And in HIM there is no sin. So the law doesn't apply to Christians.

You quote scriptures you don't even understand.
Romans 8:3 KJB - For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh

Chapter 8 introduces us to the Holy Spirit and says,
Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

This shows us the difference between being under the law, which did nothing about sin and being in the flesh; and the Spirit which takes us out of the flesh, our carnal nature and makes us dead to sin Romans 6:2.

Unfortunately, not everyone who calls themselves a Christian actually has the Holy Spirit. You've made your choice, and that is the law. Good luck with that.

I choose Jesus.
 
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I find it ironic that in Col 2 the poster is telling us that the shadow laws have been fulfilled and fulfilled meaning they were brought to an end, but in Matt 5:17 fulfil means something else. Something else because they believe they still are under the laws that have actually have been brought to an end.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


The so called "shadow laws" that someone dreamed up were still part of the words of the Sinai covenant. They were required to be kept just as were the ones written by God's own finger. By culling the "shadow laws" from the whole Law, those who are trying to do that are breaking Jesus words in verse 18. Not one jot until all, the whole law, be fulfilled.

You have done what Jesus has told us cannot be done. You have removed, brought to an end, part of the Law, something that cannot be done until all of the law be fulfilled.

Now the choice is yours. Did Jesus fulfil all of the law at Calvary. If He didn't how could He give us a new covenant to live by? The Jews destroyed the old covenant by breaking it, so the covenant became useless. Useless because it takes two parties to make a covenant agreement. When one fails to live up to the covenant the agreement ceases. That is why Paul could and did write 2Cor3:7-11. The 10 commandments were temporary commands. Temporary because the covenant was broken that the 10 commandments were part.

Your "shadow laws" are really a conundrum.
 
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I find it ironic that in Col 2 the poster is telling us that the shadow laws have been fulfilled and fulfilled meaning they were brought to an end, but in Matt 5:17 fulfil means something else. Something else because they believe they still are under the laws that have actually have been brought to an end.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


The so called "shadow laws" that someone dreamed up were still part of the words of the Sinai covenant. They were required to be kept just as were the ones written by God's own finger. By culling the "shadow laws" from the whole Law, those who are trying to do that are breaking Jesus words in verse 18. Not one jot until all, the whole law, be fulfilled.

You have done what Jesus has told us cannot be done. You have removed, brought to an end, part of the Law, something that cannot be done until all of the law be fulfilled.

Now the choice is yours. Did Jesus fulfil all of the law at Calvary. If He didn't how could He give us a new covenant to live by? The Jews destroyed the old covenant by breaking it, so the covenant became useless. Useless because it takes two parties to make a covenant agreement. When one fails to live up to the covenant the agreement ceases. That is why Paul could and did write 2Cor3:7-11. The 10 commandments were temporary commands. Temporary because the covenant was broken that the 10 commandments were part.

Your "shadow laws" are really a conundrum.

Now Bob, nice you see you here my friend but your post only shows you have not read the OP here. Can I suggest you read the OP before posting. Thanks for joining us here. Your always welcome.
 
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Now Bob, nice you see you here my friend but your post only shows you have not read the OP here. Can I suggest you read the OP before posting. Thanks for joining us here. Your always welcome.

In your OP you quoted Leviticus 23, but started at verse 4 after the first holy convocation which is the Sabbath. It too points to Jesus, and why Col. 2 Sabbath is the weekly Sabbath and was fulfilled in Christ.

Leviticus 23 New King James Version (NKJV)
Feasts of the Lord
23 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘The feasts of the Lord, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.

The Sabbath
3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

The Passover and Unleavened Bread
4 ‘These are the feasts of the Lord, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times. 5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’”

The Feast of Firstfruits
9 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 10 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest. 11 He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. 12 And you shall offer on that day, when you wave the sheaf, a male lamb of the first year, without blemish, as a burnt offering to the Lord. 13 Its grain offering shall be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering made by fire to the Lord, for a sweet aroma; and its drink offering shall be of wine, one-fourth of a hin. 14 You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your God; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

The Feast of Weeks
15 ‘And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed. 16 Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall offer a new grain offering to the Lord. 17 You shall bring from your dwellings two wave loaves of two-tenths of an ephah. They shall be of fine flour; they shall be baked with leaven. They are the firstfruits to the Lord. 18 And you shall offer with the bread seven lambs of the first year, without blemish, one young bull, and two rams. They shall be as a burnt offering to the Lord, with their grain offering and their drink offerings, an offering made by fire for a sweet aroma to the Lord. 19 Then you shall sacrifice one kid of the goats as a sin offering, and two male lambs of the first year as a sacrifice of a peace offering. 20 The priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits as a wave offering before the Lord, with the two lambs. They shall be holy to the Lord for the priest. 21 And you shall proclaim on the same day that it is a holy convocation to you. You shall do no customary work on it. It shall be a statute forever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.

22 ‘When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field when you reap, nor shall you gather any gleaning from your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am the Lord your God.’”

The Feast of Trumpets
23 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 24 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. 25 You shall do no customary work on it; and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord.’”

The Day of Atonement
26 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 27 “Also the tenth day of this seventh month shall be the Day of Atonement. It shall be a holy convocation for you; you shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. 28 And you shall do no work on that same day, for it is the Day of Atonement, to make atonement for you before the Lord your God. 29 For any person who is not afflicted in soul on that same day shall be cut off from his people. 30 And any person who does any work on that same day, that person I will destroy from among his people. 31 You shall do no manner of work; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. 32 It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath.”

The Feast of Tabernacles
33 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 34 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the Feast of Tabernacles for seven days to the Lord. 35 On the first day there shall be a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work on it. 36 For seven days you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation, and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. It is a sacred assembly, and you shall do no customary work on it.

37 ‘These are the feasts of the Lord which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire to the Lord, a burnt offering and a grain offering, a sacrifice and drink offerings, everything on its day— 38 besides the Sabbaths of the Lord, besides your gifts, besides all your vows, and besides all your freewill offerings which you give to the Lord.

39 ‘Also on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep the feast of the Lord for seven days; on the first day there shall be a sabbath-rest, and on the eighth day a sabbath-rest. 40 And you shall take for yourselves on the first day the fruit of beautiful trees, branches of palm trees, the boughs of leafy trees, and willows of the brook; and you shall rejoice before the Lord your God for seven days. 41 You shall keep it as a feast to the Lord for seven days in the year. It shall be a statute forever in your generations. You shall celebrate it in the seventh month. 42 You shall dwell in booths for seven days. All who are native Israelites shall dwell in booths, 43 that your generations may know that I made the children of Israel dwell in booths when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.’”

44 So Moses declared to the children of Israel the feasts of the Lord.
 
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In your OP you quoted Leviticus 23, but started at verse 4 after the first holy convocation which is the Sabbath. It too points to Jesus, and why Col. 2 Sabbath is the weekly Sabbath and was fulfilled in Christ.

Hello 1stcenturylady, you still have not read all the OP now have you?

If you read the OP you would know that Leviticus 23 was quoted in the OP in reference to COL 2:14-17 to show that there is special SHADOW sabaths attached to the annual feastivals that were not God's weekly SEVENTH DAY Sabbath of the 4th Commandment that had a different purpose then the weekly SEVENTH DAY SABBATH and were attached to certain festivals.

These specials Sabbaths could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the year and the luna calander. These are the SHADOW Sabbaths in ORDINANCES being discussed from COL 2 not the 10 Commandment SEVENTH DAY Sabbath.

Let's look at the scriptures from Leviticus 23 which outlines the Shadow Sabbaths and the purpose of all the Sabbaths including God's 4th Commandment...

Question. What is the PURPOSE of God's Sabbath in the 4th commandment.....................

Exodus 20
8,
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9,
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY?>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Answer.
The PURPOSE of the 4th commandment is that it is given as a MEMORIAL of CREATION because God made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them and RESTED on the 7th DAY.

next............

Question.
What is the PURPOSE of the "special" annual festival Sabbaths that can fall on any day of the week that were contained in ordinances in the book of Moses (2 Chron 8:12-13)...........

Leviticus 23
24,
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a <special> sabbath, <any day of the week> a (1) memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
25, Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
24
, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
25, Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
26, And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
27, Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a (2) day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
28
, And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
29, For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
30
, And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
31, Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
32, It shall be unto you a<special> sabbath of rest,<any day of the week> and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your <special> sabbath <any day of the week>.
33
, And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
34, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the (3) feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
35, On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
36, Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
37
, These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
38, Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
39, Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a <special> sabbath <any day of the week>, and on the eighth day shall be a <special> sabbath <any day of the week>.
40, And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees,4 branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
41, And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
42, Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:
43, That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
44, And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD.

Answer. The "special" Festival Sabbaths that could fall on any day of the week. They were ORDINACES commanded by Moses in the book of the law (2 Chron 8:12-13)

The PURPOSE of the special Sabbath of the (1) Feast of Trumpets was in preparation for the day of ATONEMENT for SIN for God's people to afflict themselves in REPENTANCE for SIN and a memorial of God giving his people the 10 commandments (Exodus 19:16-22) and a call for them to be a HOLY people.

This was follow by the special Sabbath of (2) Day Atonement once again a could fall on any day of the week. The PURPOSE of the DAY of ATONEMENT special Sabbath was once again affliction and repentance of SIN while the HIGH PRIEST ministered on behalf of the people of Israel.

This then was followed by the (3) Feast of Tabernacles this also included special Sabbaths that could fall on any day of the week. The PURPOSE of these special sabbaths was for remembrance of God's deliverance of God's people from the land of Egypt (the World)

So as can be shown above each of the SABBATHS not only being different in time and occurrence also were given for a specific PURPOSE!

Can you now see that the PURPOSE of all these SABBATHS are not the same?
 
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continuing...

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOD’S SABBATH AND THE CEREMONIAL SABBATHS IN ORDINANCES

What is the difference between the sabbath of the annual festival of the ceremonial laws of Moses and the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment.............

Let’s start with the ceremonial sabbaths contained in ordinances written in the Mosaic book of the law of Moses which were NOT part of the 10 Commandments but connected to New Moons and Annual fest days of the Old Covenant.

SHADOW SABBATHS

2 Chronicles 8

12,
Then Solomon offered burnt offerings unto the LORD on the altar of the LORD, which he had built before the porch,

13, Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.

1. The ceremonial Sabbath of the law of Moses is a special Sabbath and also uses a different Hebrew Word called meaning H7677 שׁבּתון shabbâthôn shab-baw-thone' From H7676; a sabbatism or special holiday: - rest, sabbath. This sabbath can fall on any day of the seek and is only used in the annual Jewish festivals of Feasts of Trumpets (Lev 23:24) or Day of Atonement (Lev 23:32 or Feast of Booths (Lev 23:39). These feasts are NOT fulfilled and Shadows of things to come Col 2 v17 (e.g. 2nd coming, close of probation and judgement and God's people saved from their temporary dwelling on earth to the earth made new)

NOTE:
Col v17, Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. It is NOT fulfilled and has NOT finished and IS to COME. These are temporary Shadow Sabbaths showing the plan of salvation.

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GOD'S ETERNAL SABBATH AND 4TH COMMANDMENT

2. God's 4th commandment Sabbath
which is one of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11). The Hebrew word use here for Sabbath has a DIFFERENT Hebrew word used compared to the ceremonial Sabbath of H7677. The Hebrew Word used here is H7676 and means H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath (shab-bawth') n-e.1. intermission, a period of temporary rest.2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest. [intensive from H7673]KJV: (+ every) sabbath. Root(s): H7673. The root word comes from H7673 which comes from the creation week of Genesis 2:1-3 and means shabath (shaw-ɓath') v.to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion.KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away. This is God's Sabbath it is a memorial of creation and part of a FINISHED WORK BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it is part of a FINISHED work BEFORE SIN then it cannot be a part of the plan of salvation because it was BEFORE the fall of mankind. Just like all the other 10 commandments God's Word says they are FOREVER and the very standard of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and the JUDGEMENT to come.

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is FOREVER nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7). It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12). God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5). God's people keep all the commandments of God including the Sabbath even in the NEW EARTH (Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; Isaiah 66:23)

That is the difference between the ceremonial special SHADOW Sabbaths pointiong to things to come and God's 4th commandment which God's Word says is FOREVER and a PERPETUAL COVENANT to God's people.

Hope this helps :)
 
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Hello 1stcenturylady, you have not read the OP now have you?

If you read the OP you would know that Leviticus 23 was quoted in the OP in reference to COL 2:14-17 to show that there is special SHADOW sabaths attached to the annual feastivals that were not God's weekly SEVENTH DAY Sabbath of the 4th Commandment that had a different purpose then the weekly SEVENTH DAY SABBATH and were attached to certail festivals. These specials Sabbaths could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the year and the luna calander. These are the SHADOW Sabbaths in ORDINANCES being discussed from COL 2 not the 10 Commandment SEVENTH DAY Sabbath.

Let's look at the scriptures from Leviticus 23 which outlines the Shadow Sabbaths and the purpose of all the Sabbaths including God's 4th Commandment...

Question. What is the PURPOSE of God's Sabbath in the 4th commandment.....................

Exodus 20
8,
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9,
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY?>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Answer.
The PURPOSE of the 4th commandment is that it is given as a MEMORIAL of CREATION because God made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them and RESTED on the 7th DAY.

next............

Question.
What is the PURPOSE of the "special" annual festival Sabbaths that can fall on any day of the week that were contained in ordinances in the book of Moses (2 Chron 8:12-13)...........

Leviticus 23
24,
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a <special> sabbath, <any day of the week> a (1) memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
25, Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
24
, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
25, Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
26, And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
27, Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a (2) day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
28
, And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
29, For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
30
, And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
31, Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
32, It shall be unto you a<special> sabbath of rest,<any day of the week> and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your <special> sabbath <any day of the week>.
33
, And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
34, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the (3) feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
35, On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
36, Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
37
, These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
38, Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
39, Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a <special> sabbath <any day of the week>, and on the eighth day shall be a <special> sabbath <any day of the week>.
40, And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees,4 branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
41, And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
42, Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:
43, That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
44, And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD.

Answer. The "special" Festival Sabbaths that could fall on any day of the week. They were ORDINACES commanded by Moses in the book of the law (2 Chron 8:12-13)

The PURPOSE of the special Sabbath of the (1) Feast of Trumpets was in preparation for the day of ATONEMENT for SIN for God's people to afflict themselves in REPENTANCE for SIN and a memorial of God giving his people the 10 commandments (Exodus 19:16-22) and a call for them to be a HOLY people.

This was follow by the special Sabbath of (2) Day Atonement once again a could fall on any day of the week. The PURPOSE of the DAY of ATONEMENT special Sabbath was once again affliction and repentance of SIN while the HIGH PRIEST ministered on behalf of the people of Israel.

This then was followed by the (3) Feast of Tabernacles this also included special Sabbaths that could fall on any day of the week. The PURPOSE of these special sabbaths was for remembrance of God's deliverance of God's people from the land of Egypt (the World)

So as can be shown above each of the SABBATHS not only being different in time and occurrence also were given for a specific PURPOSE!

Can you now see that the PURPOSE of all these SABBATHS are not the same?

I told you before that I read page one.

The reason why the ceremonial 4th commandment was put in the 10C was because it was the sign of that covenant. When the covenant ended, so did the sign. We are under a New Covenant AND a new sign of that covenant, the cup of the New Testament 1 Corinthians 11:25.
 
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I told you before that I read page one.

The reason why the ceremonial 4th commandment was put in the 10C was because it was the sign of that covenant. When the covenant ended, so did the sign. We are under a New Covenant AND a new sign of that covenant, the cup of the New Testament 1 Corinthians 11:25.

The OP is most of Page one and continuing but for COL 2 the first 5x posts.

NO God's 4th Commandment is NOT a ceremonial Sabbath as shown in the two posts above and the scriptures in them you have ignored.

Please provide the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is a ceremonial Sabbath?

Also, NO the sign of God's 4th commandment is a part of a PERPETUAL COVENANT (EVERLASTING) to God's people just as all the 10 Commandments are as shown in the two posts and supporting scriptures above.

Also, God's 4th Commandment cannot be a ceremonial law because it was written, on stone and given and spoken by God himself to his people. It does not come from the law of ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

It cannot be a SHADOW law because it was made BEFORE SIN entered the world and before Gods plan of salvation and was a part of the FINISHED WORK of creation (Genesis 2:1-3)

For reference provided in this link is further supporting scriptures that show who God's ISRAEL is and that God's 4th Commandment is an EVERLASTING COVENANANT linked CLICK ME.

If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT promise. Gentiles are now gradted in (Romans 11:13-27)

There is a lot of scriptures already provided here that disagrees with you my friend, that you are simply choosing to ignore.

If you disagree please provide your reasons and scriptures showing why?

If you cannot we should BELIEVE the WORD of GOD over the traditions and teachings of men that break the commandments of God.


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The OP is most of Page one and continuing but for COL 2 the first 5x posts.

NO God's 4th Commandment is NOT a ceremonial Sabbath as shown in the two posts above and the scriptures in them you have ignored.

Please provide the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is a ceremonial Sabbath?

Also, NO the sign of God's 4th commandment is a part of a PERPETUAL COVENANT (EVERLASTING) to God's people just as all the 10 Commandments are as shown in the two posts and supporting scriptures above.

Also, God's 4th Commandment cannot be a ceremonial law because it was written, on stone and given and spoken by God himself to his people. It does not come from the law of ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

It cannot be a SHADOW law because it was made BEFORE SIN entered the world and before Gods plan of salvation and was a part of the FINISHED WORK of creation (Genesis 2:1-3)

For reference provided in this link is further supporting scriptures that show who God's ISRAEL is and that God's 4th Commandment is an EVERLASTING COVENANANT linked CLICK ME.

If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT promise. Gentiles are now gradted in (Romans 11:13-27)

There is a lot of scriptures already provided here that disagrees with you my friend, that you are simply choosing to ignore.

If you disagree please provide your reasons and scriptures showing why?

If you cannot we should BELIEVE the WORD of GOD over the traditions and teachings of men that break the commandments of God.


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The Sabbath was in remembrance of creation and is ceremonial. That is a fact. It also points to God's rest we have in the creator, Jesus and his grace, thus has been fulfilled.

I understand you don't want to believe that. Fine, we'll just agree to disagree.
 
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The Sabbath was in remembrance of creation and is ceremonial. That is a fact. It also points to God's rest we have in the creator, Jesus and his grace, thus has been fulfilled. I understand you don't want to believe that. Fine, we'll just agree to disagree.

We will indeed have to agree to disagree you have no scripture for your teachings and you have been provided scripture that disagrees with what you are saying.
 
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We will indeed have to agree to disagree you have no scripture for your teachings and you have been provided scripture that disagrees with what you are saying.

I've supplied plenty of scriptures, but you may have forgotten them, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Good night Aussie friend. :yawn: :sleep:
 
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I've supplied plenty of scriptures, but you may have forgotten them, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Good night Aussie friend. :yawn: :sleep:

No you have not please show me the link with your supporting scriptures if I have missed them I will apologise. Also, you have simply ignored the scriptures and posts above that disagree with you. Now are you choosing to leave when challenged? Although, please get some rest if it is late your time we can chat more latter. :wave:
 
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No you have not please show me the link with your supporting scriptures if I have missed it. Also, you have simply ignored the scriptures and posts that disagree with you. Now are you choosing to leave when challenged? o_O

Hebrews 4
Col. 2
Galatians 3, 4, and 5
2 Cor. 3
1 John 3
Leviticus 23
Deuteronomy 31:13
Deuteronomy 34:28

Good night again.
 
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Hebrews 4
Col. 2
Galatians 3, 4, and 5
2 Cor. 3
1 John 3
Leviticus 23
Deuteronomy 31:13
Deuteronomy 34:28

And not one of those scriptures say that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day now do they? Or do any of them say God's 4th Commandment is a ceremonial law. I can see you are tired maybe we can talk more after you get some rest.
 
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And not one of those scriptures say that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day now do they? Or do any of them say God's 4th Commandment is a ceremonial law. I can see you are tired maybe we can talk mare after you get some rest

Leviticus 23 are ALL ceremonial. And I have NEVER said Sunday is a law.

Good night. Now I'm walking in my sleep...
 
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Leviticus 23 are ALL ceremonial. And I have NEVER said Sunday is a law.
Good night. Now I'm walking in my sleep...

Really? Now where does it say in Leviticus 23 that God's 4th Commandment is a ceremonial law? I cannot find that scripture anywhere there. Please see the scriptures provided in post # 88 and post # 89 that disagree with you. Ok have a nice rest :wave:
 
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Really? Now where does it say in Leviticus 23 that God's 4th Commandment is a ceremonial law? I cannot find that scripture anywhere there. Please see the scriptures provided in post # 88 and post # 89 that disagree with you. Ok have a nice rest :wave:

Ceremonial is also memorial. The Sabbath is ceremonial of creation. The mystery of rest pointed toward grace.
 
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