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SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT FULFILLED IN THE NEW? COL 2

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, May 3, 2018.

  1. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

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    God knows if your judgement is true or not. God's WORD says to Judge righteous judgement. There is none righteous no not one. I am not judging you because I am not righteous. Only God's Word is righteous and is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. It is only God's WORD that judges us (JOHN 12:47-48) If you feel convicted God's Spirit is pleading with you.
     
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  2. The7thColporteur

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    You have most definitely asserted something, but have not provided any scriptural [KJB] evidence to substantiate the claim asserted. Simply saying 'It is so!' is not evidence that 'it is so.'

    Start reading here - COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word
     
  3. LoveGodsWord

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    MOSIAC SHADOW LAWS FROM THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT AND THE SANCTUARY

    PART 3

    2. SANCTUARY HOLY PLACE

    Ok moving on from the Courtyard and the Alter of Sacrifice and the Brazen wash basin we move into the first apartment of the Sanctuary called the HOLY PLACE.

    EXODUS 26:33 [33], And you shall hang up the veil under the clasps, that you may bring in thither within the veil the ark of the testimony: and the veil shall divide to you between the holy place and the most holy.

    Moving into the Holy place from the Courtyard we have the Table of Show bread (Exodus 25:23-30; 26:35), then the Alter of Incense (Exodus 30:1-6) and the Seven Golden Candlesticks (Exodus 25:31-40; 26:35).

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    EARTHLY SANCTUARY SHADOWS OF THE HOLY PLACE TABLE OF SHOW BREAD.

    EXODUS 25:23-30 [23], You shall also make a table of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim wood: two cubits shall be the length thereof, and a cubit the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof. [24], And you shall overlay it with pure gold, and make thereto a crown of gold round about. [25], And you shall make to it a border of an hand breadth round about, and you shall make a golden crown to the border thereof round about. [26], And you shall make for it four rings of gold, and put the rings in the four corners that are on the four feet thereof. [27], Over against the border shall the rings be for places of the staves to bear the table. [28], And you shall make the staves of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim wood, and overlay them with gold, that the table may be borne with them. [29], And you shall make the dishes thereof, and spoons thereof, and covers thereof, and bowls thereof, to cover with: of pure gold shall you make them. [30], And you shall set on the table show bread before me always.

    MATTHEW 6:11 [11], Give us this day our daily bread.

    MATTHEW 4:4 [4], Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

    JOHN 6:35; 49-50 [35], And Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life: he that comes to me shall never hunger; and he that believes on me shall never thirst.

    [49], Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. [50], This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

    MATTHEW 26:26 [26], While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, Take and eat; this is my body.

    LUKE 22:19-20, [19], And he took bread, and gave thanks, and broke it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20], Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is shed for you.

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    CONCLUSION; JESUS is the WORD of God which is represented as the BREAD of LIFE that we are to live by. We brake bread in rememberance of Christ sacrifice for all mankind. We are to LIVE by the WORD of GOD (bread of life) daily and pray to God for our daily bread.

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    EARTHLY SANCTUARY SHADOWS OF THE HOLY PLACE OF THE ALTER OF INCENSE.

    EXODUS 30:1-7 [1], And you shall make an altar to burn incense upon: of acacia wood shall you make it. [2], A cubit shall be the length of it, and a cubit the breadth of it; foursquare shall it be: and two cubits shall be the height of it: its horns shall be of one piece with it. [3], And you shall overlay it with pure gold, the top of it, and the sides of it round about, and its horns; and you shall make unto it a molding of gold round about. [4], And two golden rings shall you make for it under its molding, by its two corners, upon the two sides of it shall you make it; and they shall be places for the poles with which to bear it. [5], And you shall make the poles of acacia wood, and overlay them with gold. [6], And you shall put it before the veil that is by the ark of the testimony, before the mercy seat that is over the testimony, where I will meet with you. [7], And Aaron shall burn on it sweet incense every morning: when he tends the lamps, he shall burn incense upon it. [8], And when Aaron lights the lamps at evening, he shall burn incense upon it, a perpetual incense before the LORD throughout your generations.

    PSALMS 141:2 Let my prayer be set forth before you as incense; and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice.

    LUKE 1:8-11 [8], And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course, [9], According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord. [10], And the whole multitude of the people were praying outside at the time of incense. [11], And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

    REVELATION 5:8 And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of saints.

    REVELATION 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

    REVELATION 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

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    CONCLUSION; The Alter of INCENSE represents the prayers of God's people that come up to the throne of God and the very presence of God at the Ark of the COVENANT and the mercy seat (Most Holy place)

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    EARTHLY SANCTUARY SHADOWS OF THE HOLY PLACE TABLE OF THE SEVEN GOLDEN CANDLESTICKS

    Exodus 26:35 [35], And you shall set the table outside the veil, and the lampstand opposite the table on the side of the tabernacle toward the south: and you shall put the table on the north side.

    LEVITICUS 24:1-3 The Lord said to Moses, Command the Israelites to bring you clear oil of pressed olives for the light so that the lamps may be kept burning continually. Outside the curtain of the Testimony in the Tent of Meeting, Aaron is to tend the lamps before the Lord from evening till morning, continually.

    JOHN 8:12 [12], I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.

    JOHN 3:19-21 [19], And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
    [20] For everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. [21] But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God.

    JOHN 9:5 [5], As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

    JOHN 12:36 [36], While you have light, believe in the light, that you may be the children of light. These things spoke Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

    JOHN 12:46[46], I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believes on me should not abide in darkness.

    2 CORINTHIANS 4:4 [4], In whom the god of this age has blinded the minds of them who believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    EPHESIANS 5:8 [8], For you were once darkness, but now are you light in the Lord: walk as children of light.

    2 TIMOTHY 1:10[10], But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death, and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.

    1 PETER 2:9 [9], But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own; that you should show forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

    2 PETER 1:19 [19], We have also a more sure word of prophecy; to which you do well that you take heed, as unto a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

    1 JOHN 1:5 [5], This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

    1 JOHN 1:7 [7], But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin.

    MATTHEW 5:14 [14], You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid.

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    CONCLUSION; The LIGHT of the SEVEN GOLDEN Candlesticks represents God's WORD Jesus or the truth of God's WORD, the GOSPEL; walking in God's truth of his WORD. We will look at the SEVEN Candlesticks a bit latter and see how they connected to the SEVEN annual FESTIVALS

    to be continued into the MOST HOLY PLACE where the presence of God is and the ARK of the COVENANT...
     
  4. 1stcenturylady

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    Why is it that you all teach it is more important to keep the law and the Sabbath than being baptized in the Holy Spirit? Have any of you even experienced it?
     
  5. The7thColporteur

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    Real sabbath keeping is evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost:

    Acts 5:32 KJB - And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.​

    Since the Law is truth, Psalms 119:142,151 KJB, which is what the Holy Ghost would lead us into [John 16:13 KJB].

    Fuzzy feelings, tingling in the members, exhiliration are all feelings, not faith, and deal with flesh, and not faith. Eve had the same experiences when she ate from the tree she shouldn't have. Therefore, all experience is to be tested by the Law and the Testimony - Isaiah 8:20 KJB.
     
  6. LoveGodsWord

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    Hello 1stcenturylady,

    Can anyone keep God's LAW including God's 4th Commandment Sabbath or see God's KINGDOM without being baptised in the Holy Spirit?

    JOHN 3:3-8 [3], Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. [4], Nicodemus said unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? [5], Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [6], That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [7], Marvel not that I said unto you, You must be born again. [8], The wind blows where it wills, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it came, and where it goes: so is everyone that is born of the Spirit.

    ROMANS 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    ROMANS 8:4 [4], That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    ROMANS 8:13 [13], For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do put to death the deeds of the body, you shall live.

    GALATIANS 5:16 [16], This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

    1 JOHN 3:9-10 [9], Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil ..

    1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    What determines who we are following? SIN ...

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    SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

    Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

    Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).


     
  7. LoveGodsWord

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    Yes, I think I shared my testimony with you. None have God's Spirit however if they are willfully and knowingly breaking any of God's Commandments. (Act 5:32; 2:38; 3:19; 8:22; 1 John 3:9-10)
     
  8. Marco70

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    When I went to an sda church to please a friend, a woman who once gave the sermon, said, and I quote:

    ''We don't have crazy talk in our church''

    I knew what she meant, to be fair to the minister, so did he, knowing my background he looked at me rather apologetically
     
  9. bugkiller

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    No one can enter God's rest by trying to keep the law. Notice I said trying to. This is because the Bible says no one does.

    bugkiller
     
  10. bugkiller

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    Col 2 is the same list in Lev 23. The first thing mentioned is the weekly sabbath. This list is also found elsewhere in the Bible.

    So prove here wrong with a proper exegesis.

    bugkiller
     
  11. bugkiller

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    He did not pass it off?

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  12. bugkiller

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    18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Gal 5

    How can this verse possibly mean the Holy Spirit leads us back to the law?

    bugkiller
     
  13. Marco70

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    He never spoke to me about it afterwards. I was impressed by one thing he said to me:

    ''I never discuss religious differences, it doesn't get anywhere.''

    He never tried to convince me to change my beliefs
     
  14. bugkiller

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    If one can, please name them. Such would be contrary to the Bible.

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  15. Marco70

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    Bind up the testimony, and seal up the law among my disciples
    Isaiah8:16
     
  16. Marco70

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    The true dividing line in Christianity is NOT according to denomination, but rather the Holy Spirit. You either accept the fullness of the Holy Spirit available to you, or you do not:
    But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not the old way of the written code
    Rom7:6
    Those who relentlessly stress law/you can only be in a saved state if you observe the law/your judgement will be based on obeying the letter that kills etc, have chosen their path. They follow after the written code, not the Holy Spirit, for it can only be one or the other. They will never be able to understand the true message contained in the letter, for they have rejected following after the only one who can lead into spiritual truth. Yes, they can endlessly quote the letter, but they cannot understand the true message the letter contains.
    When I sat in a circle in an sda Sabbath school. I looked around at the people. I thought they were really nice, courteous and friendly. But I was overwhelmed by one overriding thought. ''Where is the Holy Spirit?''
    And so that is why there is such disagreement here. You either follow after the written code or the Holy Spirit-who is the spirit of truth, you cannot do both(Rom7:6)
     
  17. LoveGodsWord

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    Keep reading...

    ISAIAH 8:16-20
    [16], Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. [17], And I will wait upon the LORD, that hides his face from the house of Jacob, and I will hope in him. [18], Behold, I and the children whom the LORD has given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, who dwells in mount Zion. [19], And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that are mediums, and unto wizards that whisper, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? rather than the dead on behalf of the living? [20], To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
     
  18. LoveGodsWord

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    Now BK did you actually read the post you were responding to? (Post # 46 linked)
     
  19. LoveGodsWord

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    True and no one is telling you to enter into God's rest by keeping the Law.
     
  20. LoveGodsWord

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    Indeed it is listing all the Holy days. Some of the annual festivals were longer then 7 days so of course God's 4th commandment is included as it is every seventh day. What is your point?

    Read the scriptures provided in the OP, it has already been provided. You have not read it have you.
     
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