SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT FULFILLED IN THE NEW? COL 2

[LoveGodsWord]

Thank you for the old testament texts showing the identical wording. However, they confirm my belief that the Sabbaths were the weekly Sabbath every week, and not ceremonial Sabbaths. They are all plural - feast(s), new moon(s), and Sabbath(s). I'm not sure what you are trying to prove other than confirming what I believe, so thank you. The question remains, why can't you see the significane of showing the Sabbaths were indeed the weekly Sabbath.

Hello 1stcenturylady, nice to see you.

This thread has a long way to go but your answers have already been answered with scriptures within the OP.

Did you actually read the posts within the OP?

The argument using (S) at the end of sabbath in COL 2:16 is hardly mentioned in this OP even as an argument. This was done on purpose as there is so much scripture showing that COL 2:16 is discussing the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT and not the 10 Commandments that it is not needed really to be highlighted as a point of discussion here.

However, since you brought it up and are not wantnig to talk about the OP here. I am happy to do so. Firstly, what you have stated above is NOT correct.

For example you state the use of the WORDS feast, new moon and sabbath are all plural. This is not true whatsoever. If you look at the interlinear and the GREEK words used you will see a GFS or a GNP after each of these words used in COL 2:16

Interlinear use of COL 2:6 linked here...

GFS = GENITIVE FEMININE SINGULAR (use is singular)
GNP = GENITIVE NEUTRAL PLURAL (use is plural)

The ONLY case where GNP is used is in the word sabbath all the other words meat and drink, feast day and new moon uses the singular expression of GFS,

T7C captured this earlier not sure if you read it ...

The plurality of Sabbath included many types of Sabbaths that included the..

1. The annual Sabbaths connected to festivals (there are many; Leviticus 23),
2, The 7th year Sabbath and
3. The 50th year Sabbath in Leviticus 23 & 25,

These were all different to the weekly 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, seen at the beginning before the sin of mankind and had different purposes. These special sabbaths could all fall and start on any day of the week besides the 7th Day.

This is why many translations render the scripture as ...

New Living Translation
So don't let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore let no one judge you in regard to food, or in regard to drink, or in regard to a feast, or a New Moon, or Sabbaths

King James Bible
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

International Standard Version
Therefore, let no one judge you in matters of food and drink or with respect to a festival, a New Moon, or Sabbath days

NET Bible
Therefore do not let anyone judge you with respect to food or drink, or in the matter of a feast, new moon, or Sabbath days

Jubilee Bible 2000
Let no one therefore judge you in food or in drink or in respect of a feast day or of the new moon or of the sabbath days

King James 2000 Bible
Let no man therefore judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

American King James Version
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

Douay-Rheims Bible
Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths

Darby Bible Translation
Let none therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in matter of feast, or new moon, or sabbaths

Webster's Bible Translation
Let no man therefore judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a holy-day, or or the new-moon, or of the sabbaths

Young's Literal Translation
Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths

This is not to say that COL 2:16 can not be applied to plural use of meat, drink holydays and sabbaths as I believe the scripture is discussing them all so it is not a problem either way to me. This is just highlighting the GREEK and what you were saying earlier was not correct.

I was not going to discuss this in much detail in this OP as it is not really needed considering all the scriptures in the OP that address COL 2:16 however, thanks for bringing this up.

Hope this helps.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Hello 1stcenturylady, nice to see you.

This thread has a long way to go but your answers have already been answered with scriptures within the OP.

Did you actually read the posts within the OP?

The argument using (S) at the end of sabbath in COL 2:16 is hardly mentioned in this OP even as an argument. This was done on purpose as there is so much scripture showing what COL 2:16 is discussing the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT and not the 10 Commandments that it is not needed really to be highlighted as a point of discussion.

However, since you brought it up and are not wantnig to talk about the OP here. I am happy to do so. Firstly, what you have stated above is NOT correct.

For example you state the use of the WORDS feast, new moon and sabbath are all plural. This is not true whatsoever. If you look at the interlinear and the GREEK words used you will see a GNS or a GNP after each of these words used in COL 2:16

GNS = GENITIVE NEUTRAL SINGULAR (use is singular)
GNP = GENITIVE NEUTRAL PLURAL (use is plural)

T7C captured this earlier not sure if you read it ...

The plurality of Sabbath included many types of Sabbaths that included the..

1. The yearly Sabbaths connected to festivals,
2, The 7th year Sabbath and
3. The 50th year Sabbath in Leviticus 23 & 25,

These were all different to the weekly 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, seen at the beginning before the sin of mankind and had different purposes. These special sabbaths could all fall and start on any day of the week besides the 7th Day.

This is why many translations render the scripture as ...

New Living Translation
So don't let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore let no one judge you in regard to food, or in regard to drink, or in regard to a feast, or a New Moon, or Sabbaths

King James Bible
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

International Standard Version
Therefore, let no one judge you in matters of food and drink or with respect to a festival, a New Moon, or Sabbath days

NET Bible
Therefore do not let anyone judge you with respect to food or drink, or in the matter of a feast, new moon, or Sabbath days

Jubilee Bible 2000
Let no one therefore judge you in food or in drink or in respect of a feast day or of the new moon or of the sabbath days

King James 2000 Bible
Let no man therefore judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

American King James Version
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

Douay-Rheims Bible
Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths

Darby Bible Translation
Let none therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in matter of feast, or new moon, or sabbaths

Webster's Bible Translation
Let no man therefore judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a holy-day, or or the new-moon, or of the sabbaths

Young's Literal Translation
Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths

I was not going to discuss this in detail in this OP as it was not really needed considering all the scriptures in the OP that address COL 2:16 however, thanks for bringing this up.

Hope this helps.

Hi dear friend,

I read the whole first OP. I see you have a few posts after that, that I didn't read, but I did read the Numbers 28 scripture, and Ezekiel 46 scriptures in context and even copied them into a private document, both of which are talking about the weekly Sabbaths. So thanks again.

Also, the actual creation of the Sabbath at the end of the creation week is in itself a shadow. It looked forward to the ultimate rest of grace in Christ.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hi 1stcenturylady,

Hi dear friend,
I read the whole first OP. I see you have a few posts after that, that I didn't read, but I did read the Numbers 28 scripture, and Ezekiel 46 scriptures in context and even copied them into a private document, both of which are talking about the weekly Sabbaths. So thanks again.

Please consider the following scriptures with what you are saying here and the questions that are asked of you here and see if you can answer them?

Firstly you are saying something that I am not saying above and the reason why these scriptures were quoted. I have never disagreed or said that God's 4th Commandment is not included in Ezekiel 46 and Numbers 28.

The reason these scriptures were used as part of the OP was to show that they are talking about the sin offereings in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT which is the topic of COL 2.

If you have a look at the recent post on the Alter of Sacrifice from the Sanctuary, the sin offerings and their timing are discussed in more detail. There was more sin offereings held on the weekly sabbaths, new moons and annual festivals as these were all holy days.

The use of the scriptures here was only to show that the sin offerings were in relation to ORDINANCES from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT for remission of SINS which is what COL 2 is talking about, focussing on COL 2v14 where the word ORDINANCE (GREEK word dogma) means civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT and not the 10 Commandments.

...............

Also, the actual creation of the Sabbath at the end of the creation week is in itself a shadow. It looked forward to the ultimate rest of grace in Christ.

What you have missed from GENESIS are some very important points which disagree with your interpretation of the scriptures. Let have a look at them again here...

Genesis 2
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and SANCTIFIED IT <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Some points to note from the scriptures...............

v1 God completed creation in 6 days and RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v2 God RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v3 God SET APART the 7TH DAY and made THE 7TH DAY a HOLY DAY
v2 The 7TH DAY is part of the FINISHED WORK of the CREATION WEEK

Once again Genesis 2:1-3 supports Exodus 20:8-11 that the Sabbath is referring to the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK not only a REST but the REST IS LINKED to the 7TH DAY which was part of the FINISHED WORK OF THE CREATION WEEK.

Questions:

Q. When the SABBATH was made was it an UNFINISHED WORK OR A FINISHED WORK?

A. v2 FINISHED WORK. If it is it part of a FINISHED WORK then it cannot be a SHADOW OF ANYTHING because it is a FINISHED WORK!

Q. Was the Sabbath made BEFORE or AFTER SIN entered into the WORLD?

A. GENESIS 3 = THE SABBATH WAS MADE BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it was made BEFORE SIN in a PERFECT CREATION in Harmony with GOD BEFORE SIN then it is not part of the PLAN of SALVATION so not a SHADOW of ANYTHING THEREFORE cannot be done away with and is not a part of something more then what it represents and that is God as the CREATOR and and to remember GOD's CREATION and that he is that creator of all things.

This is where everything in your posting falls to pieces and do not support your post above, because UNLIKE the MOSAIC book of the COVENANT, God's SABBATH was made BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD and BEFORE a need for God's PLAN of salvation to which the SHADOWS laws of MOSES all pointed.

Now where is the scriptures that say that Jesus is a Sabbath?

Hope these scriptures and questions help.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Not really 1stcenturylady,

Please consider the following scriptures what you are saying here and the questions that are asked here...

What you have missed from GENESIS are some very important points which disagree with your interpretation of the scriptures. Let have a look at them again here...

Genesis 2
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and SANCTIFIED IT <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Some points to note from the scriptures...............

v1 God completed creation in 6 days and RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v2 God RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v3 God SET APART the 7TH DAY and made THE 7TH DAY a HOLY DAY
v2 The 7TH DAY is part of the FINISHED WORK of the CREATION WEEK

Once again Genesis 2:1-3 supports Exodus 20:8-11 that the Sabbath is referring to the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK not only a REST but the REST IS LINKED to the 7TH DAY which was part of the FINISHED WORK OF THE CREATION WEEK.

Questions:

Q. When the SABBATH was made was it an UNFINISHED WORK OR A FINISHED WORK?

A. v2 FINISHED WORK. If it is it part of a FINISHED WORK then it cannot be a SHADOW OF ANYTHING because it is a FINISHED WORK!

Q. Was the Sabbath made BEFORE or AFTER SIN entered into the WORLD?

A. GENESIS 3 = THE SABBATH WAS MADE BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it was made BEFORE SIN in a PERFECT CREATION in Harmony with GOD BEFORE SIN then it is not part of the PLAN of SALVATION so not a SHADOW of ANYTHING THEREFORE cannot be done away with and is not a part of something more then what it represents and that is God's as the CREATOR and GOD's CREATION.

This is where everything in your posting falls to pieces in your post do not support your post because UNLIKE the MOSAIC book of the COVENANT God's SABBATH was made BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD and BEFORE a need for God's PLAN of salvation to which the SHADOWS pointed.

Now where is the scriptures that say that Jesus is a Sabbath?

Hope these scriptures and questions help.

Q. Was the Sabbath made BEFORE or AFTER SIN entered into the WORLD?

Before. You forget Lucifer and a third of the angelic race. That is why:

1 Peter 1:18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you 21 who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

There can be no sin left in eternity, just holy and righteous ones.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Before. You forget Lucifer and a third of the angelic race. That is why:

1 Peter 1:18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifestEdit in these last times for you 21 who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

No that does not answer the question to you. Which was ...

Q. Was the Sabbath made BEFORE or AFTER SIN entered into the WORLD?

A. GENESIS 3 = THE SABBATH WAS MADE BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it was made BEFORE SIN in a PERFECT CREATION in Harmony with GOD BEFORE SIN then it is not part of the PLAN of SALVATION so not a SHADOW of ANYTHING THEREFORE cannot be done away with and is not a part of something more then what it represents and that is God's as the CREATOR and GOD's CREATION.

And no the scriptures you quoted do not say Jesus is a Sabbath.

 

[1stcenturylady]

No that does not answer the question to you. Which was ...

Q. Was the Sabbath made BEFORE or AFTER SIN entered into the WORLD?

A. GENESIS 3 = THE SABBATH WAS MADE BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it was made BEFORE SIN in a PERFECT CREATION in Harmony with GOD BEFORE SIN then it is not part of the PLAN of SALVATION so not a SHADOW of ANYTHING THEREFORE cannot be done away with and is not a part of something more then what it represents and that is God's as the CREATOR and GOD's CREATION.

Thank you, I misread the question. The Sabbath was made after sin came into the world and was part of the plan of redemption. Part of the plan of redemption had to do with defeating Satan.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Thank you, I misread the question. The Sabbath was made after sin came into the world and was part of the plan of redemption.

Now 1stcenturylady, that is not true is it?

What is Genesis 2:1-3 talking about?

Genesis 2
1, Thus the heavens and the earth WERE FINISHED, and all the host of them.
2, And on the SEVENTH DAY GOD ENDED HIS WORK which he had made; and HE RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, AND SANCTIFIED IT: BECAUSE HE HAD RESTED FROM ALL HIS WORK WHICH GOD HAD CREATED AND MADE.

Points of fact;

v2 THE SABBATH was made on the SEVENTH DAY OF the CREATION week.
v1-2 THE SABBATH was part of a FINISHED WORK OF CREATION OF ALL THINGS IN THE HEAVENS AND EARTH
v3 GOD BELSSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT A HOLY DAY
v1-3 THE SABBATH was made BEFORE MANKIND SINNED AND BEFORE GOD'S PLAN OF SALVATION WAS GIVEN TO MANKIND (see Gen 3 which is where mankind sinned)

...............

Now let's look at the 4th Commandment before bringing it all together.

Exodus 20
8, REMEMBER , the SABBATH DAY <Where are you remembering the Sabbath day from? - GENESIS 2:1-3>, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> 11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT <quoting GENESIS 2:1-3>.

Points of fact;

v8 The commandment is to REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT A HOLY DAY
v9-10 NO WORK is to be done on the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH
v10 THIS IS GOD'S SABBATH made for mankind (Mark 2:27-28)
v8;11 THE REASON FOR THE SABBATH IS A MEMORIAL OF CREATION AND THE CREATOR (GENESIS 2:1-3)

...............

Let's bring all the points of fact together from GENESIS 2:1-3 and EXODUS 20:8-11.

Points of fact GENESIS 2:1-3;

v2 THE SABBATH was made on the SEVENTH DAY OF the CREATION week.
v1-2 THE SABBATH was part of a FINISHED WORK OF CREATION OF ALL THINGS IN THE HEAVENS AND EARTH
v3 GOD BELSSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT A HOLY DAY
v1-3 THE SABBATH was made BEFORE MANKIND SINNED AND BEFORE GOD'S PLAN OF SALVATION WAS GIVEN TO MANKIND (see Gen 3 which is where mankind sinned)

Points of fact EXODUS 20:8-11;

v8 The commandment is to REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT A HOLY DAY
v9-10 NO WORK is to be done on the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH
v10 THIS IS GOD'S SABBATH made for mankind (Mark 2:27-28)
v8;11 THE REASON FOR THE SABBATH IS A MEMORIAL OF CREATION AND THE CREATOR

God's SABBATH is the SEVENTH DAY of the CREATION WEEK. It is part of a FINISHED WORK of CREATION.

God's SABBATH was made for MANKIND BEFORE MANKIND had SINNED.

God's SABBATH was made BEFORE MANKIND SINNED meaning it CANNOT be a part of a Shadow or CEREMONIAL LAW of Moses because it is already part of the FINISHED WORK OF CREATION MADE BEFORE MANKIND SINNED and BEFORE God's plan of SALVATION was given to MANKIND.

...............

CONCLUSION: God's 4th Commandment CANNOT be a CEREMONIAL LAW because it was part of a FINISHED WORK of the creation WEEK. God's 4th Commandment is a MEMORIAL (REMEMBER) of CREATION and the CREATOR. God's 4th Commandment is made for MANKIND and we are commanded by GOD to keep it HOLY (no secular/civil work)God's 4th Commandment is one of the ten Commandments of God's moral law and if we break it we commit SIN (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

..............

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[1stcenturylady]

Now 1stcenturylady, that is not true and you know it. What is Genesis 2:1-3 talking about?

Genesis 2
1, Thus the heavens and the earth WERE FINISHED, and all the host of them.
2, And on the SEVENTH DAY GOD ENDED HIS WORK which he had made; and HE RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, AND SANCTIFIED IT: BECAUSE HE HAD RESTED FROM ALL HIS WORK WHICH GOD HAD CREATED AND MADE.

Points of fact;

v2 THE SABBATH was made on the SEVENTH DAY OF the CREATION week.
v1-2 THE SABBATH was part of a FINISHED WORK OF CREATION OF ALL THINGS IN THE HEAVENS AND EARTH
v3 GOD BELSSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT A HOLY DAY
v1-3 THE SABBATH was made BEFORE MANKIND SINNED AND BEFORE GOD'S PLAN OF SALVATION WAS GIVEN TO MANKIND (see Gen 3 which is where mankind sinned)

...............

Now let's look at the 4th Commandment before bringing it all together.

Exodus 20
8, REMEMBER, the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Points of fact;

v8 The commandment is to REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT A HOLY DAY
v9-10 NO WORK is to be done on the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH
v10 THIS IS GOD'S SABBATH made for mankind (Mark 2:27-28)
v8;11 THE REASON FOR THE SABBATH IS A MEMORIAL OF CREATION AND THE CREATOR

...............

Let's bring all the points of fact together from GENESIS 2:1-3 and EXODUS 20:8-11.

Points of fact GENESIS 2:1-3;

v2 THE SABBATH was made on the SEVENTH DAY OF the CREATION week.
v1-2 THE SABBATH was part of a FINISHED WORK OF CREATION OF ALL THINGS IN THE HEAVENS AND EARTH
v3 GOD BELSSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT A HOLY DAY
v1-3 THE SABBATH was made BEFORE MANKIND SINNED AND BEFORE GOD'S PLAN OF SALVATION WAS GIVEN TO MANKIND (see Gen 3 which is where mankind sinned)

Points of fact EXODUS 20:8-11;

v8 The commandment is to REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT A HOLY DAY
v9-10 NO WORK is to be done on the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH
v10 THIS IS GOD'S SABBATH made for mankind (Mark 2:27-28)
v8;11 THE REASON FOR THE SABBATH IS A MEMORIAL OF CREATION AND THE CREATOR

God's SABBATH is the SEVENTH DAY of the CREATION WEEK. It is part of a FINISHED WORK of CREATION.

God's SABBATH was made for MANKIND BEFORE MANKIND had SINNED.

God's SABBATH was made BEFORE MANKIND SINNED meaning it CANNOT be a part of a Shadow or CEREMONIAL LAW of Moses because it is already part of the FINISHED WORK OF CREATION MADE BEFORE MANKIND SINNED and BEFORE God's plan of SALVATION was given to MANKIND.

...............

CONCLUSION: God's 4th Commandment CANNOT be a CEREMONIAL LAW because it was part of a FINISHED WORK of the creation WEEK. God's 4th Commandment is a MEMORIAL (REMEMBER) of CREATION and the CREATOR. God's 4th Commandment is made for MANKIND and we are commanded by GOD to keep it HOLY (no secular/civil work)God's 4th Commandment is one of the ten Commandments of God's moral law and if we break it we commit SIN (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

..............

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

What I know is that I do not lie as you implied. God didn't rest because He was tired, so it had to represent something bigger. That something was grace and all it entails like the huge victory Jesus accomplished, and salvation for those who rest in Him. This is why the Sabbath is the first holy convocation listed in Leviticus 23. Everything listed has something to do with Jesus, whether you can grasp that or not.

See you later.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What I know is that I do not lie as you implied. God didn't rest because He was tired, so it had to represent something bigger. That something was grace and all it entails like the huge victory Jesus accomplished, and salvation for those who rest in Him. This is why the Sabbath is the first holy convocation listed in Leviticus 23. Everything listed has something to do with Jesus, whether you can grasp that or not.

See you later.

Hello 1stcenturylady,

I was only challenging you on your understanding of scriptures above then proceeded to show why. Please forgive me if you took that the wrong way it was not my intention.

Did I say that God needed rest because he was tired? No, God made the SEVENTH DAY a HOLY DAY at creation for all of MANKIND to meet with mankind on the SEVENTH DAY as a celebreation of CREATION and the CREATOR.

MARK 2:27-28 [27], And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: [28], Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Hello 1stcenturylady,

I was only challenging you on your understanding of scriptures above then proceeded to show why. Please forgive me if you took that the wrong way it was not my intention.

Did I say that God needed rest because he was tired? No, God made the SEVENTH DAY a HOLY DAY at creation for all of MANKIND to meet with mankind on the SEVENTH DAY as a celebreation of CREATION and the CREATOR.

MARK 2:27-28 [27], And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: [28], Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

It is all there in Hebrews 4. It showed the connection between the 7th day Sabbath and grace. Therefore, the Sabbath was always a foreshadow of Jesus and the rest we can find in His grace, if we do not harden our hearts but believe in Him.

4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

14 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It is all there in Hebrews 4. It showed the connection between the 7th day Sabbath and grace. Therefore, the Sabbath was always a foreshadow of Jesus and the rest we can find in His grace, if we do not harden our hearts but believe in Him.

4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

14 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

Nope none of this says that Jesus is a Sabbath and Hebrews 4 only discusses the Gospel and it's connection to God's SEVENTH DAY Sabbath rest as already discussed earlier...

Happy to discuss HEBREWS 4 in more detail and will be putting up a new thread about it shortly.

For now though, NO Hebrews 4 says NO WHERE that Jesus is a SABBATH and NO WHERE that the SABBATH was a shadow of anything and as already shown in GENESIS 2:1-3 and EXODUS 20:8-11 and MARK 2:27-28; Not to mention all the scriptures posted in the OP on COL 2 on the first page of the thread here.

Your reading into the scriptures something that it does not say. God's SABBATH is defined as the SEVENTH DAY from the creation week and God's 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11)

The SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was given BEFORE the FALL of mankind and was part of the FINISHED WORK OF CREATION so cannot be a SHADOW of anything.

Your doing what you normally do now and that is to change from one subject to another without addressing the posts and scriptures and questions in them that disagree with you.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Nope none of this says that Jesus is a Sabbath and Hebrews 4 only discusses the Gospel and it's connection to God's SEVENTH DAY Sabbth as already discussed earlier...

Happy to discuss HEBREWS 4 in more detail and will be putting up a new thread about it shortly.

For now though, NO Hebrews 4 says NO WHERE that Jesus is a SABBATH and NO WHERE that the SABBATH was a shadow of anything and as already shown in GENESIS 2:1-3 and EXODUS 20:8-11 and MARK 2:27-28; Your reading into the scriptures something that it does not say. God's SABBATH is defined as the SEVENTH DAY from the creation week and God's 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11)

The SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was given BEFORE the FALL of mankind and was part of the FINISHED WORK OF CREATION so cannot be a SHADOW of anything.

Your doing what you normally do now and that is to change from one subject to another without addressing the posts and scriptures and questions in them that disagree with you.

All I do is tell you whats what. You seem to think the Sabbath has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus, as if the Sabbath day is the most important thing ever! It's not and I told you the truth of what it represented.

I feel sorry for you if you think the Sabbath takes precedent even over Jesus and the gospel.

What does grace mean?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

All I do is tell you whats what. You seem to think the Sabbath has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus, as if the Sabbath day is the most important thing ever! It's not and I told you the truth of what it represented.

Well that is not true whatsoever. How can you enter into God's Sabbath rest without entering into the Gospel rest?

The Sabbath rest has everything to do with Jesus as Jesus is the CREATOR of the SABBATH and commands his people to keep the SEVENTH DAY of the week as a HOLY DAY as a memorial of CREATION because he made it for mankind.

No need to get upset. It is God's WORD not mine. God's WORD is to help us have a closer walk with Jesus. If you are offended by it then praise God, Jesus is calling you to have a closer walk with him because he loves you and sin will keep all who practice it out of God's KINGDOM.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Well that is not true whatsoever. How can you enter into God's Sabbath rest without entering into the Gospel rest? Not need to get upset. It is God's WORD not mine. God's WORD is to help us have a closer walk with Jesus. If you are offended by it then prase God, Jesus us calling you to have a closer walk with him because he loves you and sin will keep all who practice it out of God's KINGDOM.

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

You seem to believe that Hebrews 4 has to do with another chance to keep the Sabbath day, rather than trusting in Jesus so we can come boldly to the throne of grace. You are wrong.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You seem to believe that Hebrews 4 has to do with another chance to keep the Sabbath day, rather than trusting in Jesus so we can come boldly to the throne of grace. You are wrong.

That is not true at all. Hebrews 4 as posted so many times is a warning to all mankind that we will not enter into God's SABBATH rest if we do not enter into God's Gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING all the WORD of God.

The scriptures presented here only show your error in relation to the Sabbath and that all who SIN (break God's Commandments) and are in UNBELIEF will not ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. This is the subject matter of Hebrews 4.

 

[1stcenturylady]

That is not true at all. Hebrews 4 as posted so many times is a warning to all mankind that we will not enter into God's SABBATH rest if we do not enter into God's Gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING all the WORD of God.

The scriptures presented here only show your error in relation to the Sabbath and that all who SIN (break God's Commandments) and are in UNBELIEF will not ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. This is the subject matter of Hebrews 4.

That I can agree with. However, Colossians 2:16-17 is still about the weekly Sabbath being a shadow of Jesus.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That I can agree with. However, Colossians 2:16-17 is still about the weekly Sabbath being a shadow of Jesus.

Sorry 1stcenturylady, God's WORD disagrees with you.

Please feel free to address the OP and the 200 + scriptures that disagree with you here. Simply stating your words over God's WORD does not make God's WORD dissappear.

As shown through God's WORD in this OP; COL 2 is talking about the SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT v11-17 starting with the ceremonial law of CIRCUMCISION leading into the annual festivals and sin offerings.

COL 2 is not talking about the 10 Commandments which are the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS are (Romans 3:20) and are the standard of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12) and the judgement to come (James 2:8-12).

COL2 is talking about the laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT not God's 10 Commandments.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Sorry 1stcenturylady, God's WORD disagrees with you.

Please feel free to address the OP and the 200 + scriptures that disagree with you here. Simply stating your words over God's WORD does not make God's WORD dissappear.

As shown through God's WORD in this OP; COL 2 is talking about the SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT v11-17 starting the the ceremonial law of CIRCUMCISION leading into the annual festivals and sin offerings with their sabbath not God's 4th Commandment.

COL 2 is not talking about the 10 Commandments which are the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS are (Romans 3:20) and are the standard of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12) and the judgement to come (James 2:8-12).

COL2 is talking about the laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT not God's 10 Commandments.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE.

You're wrong and I won't let you judge me as Paul says. You say I don't have the Holy Spirit and am unsaved, because I don't observe the shadow of Jesus, but Jesus Himself. I don't judge you because you do as your conscience tells you, even though I don't respect twisting scripture to fit your beliefs. We are under the Abrahamic promise, not the law given 430 years later that was only until Jesus came. It was temporary. It was not eternal. The eternal law was and always will be to LOVE God with all your heart, mind and strength, and your neighbor as yourself. And in the reality it is believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love your neighbor. Now that we don't sin, there is no need for the laws of thou shalt not do what I'm not doing anyway.

I know you'll be surprised to see me in heaven with you. I hope your judgement doesn't keep you out. And seeing as you choose to be under the law, I hope you are able to keep them all. 613 wasn't it???

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You're wrong and I won't let you judge me as Paul says. You say I don't have the Holy Spirit and am unsaved, because I don't observe the shadow of Jesus, but Jesus Himself. I don't judge you because you do as your conscience tells you, even though I don't respect twisting scripture to fit your beliefs. We are under the Abrahamic promise, not the law given 430 years later that was only until Jesus came. It was temporary. It was not eternal. The eternal law was and always will be to LOVE God with all your heart, mind and strength, and your neighbor as yourself. And in the reality it is believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love your neighbor. Now that we don't sin, there is no need for the laws of thou shalt not do what I'm not doing anyway.

I know you'll be surprised to see me in heaven with you. I hope your judgement doesn't keep you out. And seeing as you choose to be under the law, I hope you are able to keep them all. 613 wasn't it???

Hello 1stcenturylady,

All are free to believe and to do as they like but all will be accountable to God come judgment day, as it is written...

ROMANS 2:12-13 [12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13], For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified

If what you are saying is correct yep, I will see you in God's Kingdom if we remain faithful unto the end. However, if what I am sharing from God's WORD with you is correct will you still be there if it is sin to break God's 4th Commandments just as it is sin to break any of the other 10 Commandments?

What will you say to God come judgement day? Will you argue then with God's WORD?

I do not judge you. Your salvation is between you and God not me and you. These are God's WORD not mine. You are free to do and believe as you wish. There is a test to know if someone knows God or not however...

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And here by we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

It is God's WORD that will judge us all come judgement day ...

JOHN 12:47-48 [47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it as it is further written...

ROMANS 3:4 .. Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged.

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LOVE is indeed the FULFILLING of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE God's WORD as it is written...

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN however do not LOVE God neither do they KNOW him. You cannot LOVE GOD and not fulfill his LAW.

God's mercy is in his LOVE and to those who LOVE him...

EXODUS 20:6 [6], And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

and is why Jesus says...

JOHN 14:15 [15] If you LOVE me keep my COMMANDMENTS.

because on these two great commandments of LOVE to God and man hang all the law and the prophets (Matthew 22:36-40).

You try and separate LOVE from God's 10 Commandments but it is only LOVE that fulfills God's LAW in those who believe (Romans 13:8-10).

Those who break God's LAW commit SIN and do not LOVE God neither do they know him.

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Hello 1stcenturylady,

All are free to believe and to do as they like but all will be accountable to God come judgment day, as it is written...

ROMANS 2:12-13 [12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13], For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified

If what you are saying is correct yep, I will see you in God's Kingdom if we remain faithful unto the end. However, if what I am sharing from God's WORD with you is correct will you still be there if it is sin to break God's 4th Commandments just as it is sin to break any of the other 10 Commandments?

What will you say to God come judgement day? Will you argue then with God's WORD?

I do not judge you. Your salvation is between you and God not me and you. These are God's WORD not mine. You are free to do and believe as you wish. There is a test to know if someone knows God or not however...

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And here by we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

It is God's WORD that will judge us all come judgement day ...

JOHN 12:47-48 [47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it as it is further written...

ROMANS 3:4 .. Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged.

................

LOVE is indeed the FULFILLING of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE God's WORD as it is written...

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN however do not LOVE God neither do they KNOW him. You cannot LOVE GOD and not fulfill his LAW.

God's mercy is in his LOVE and to those who LOVE him...

EXODUS 20:6 [6], And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

and is why Jesus says...

JOHN 14:15 [15] If you LOVE me keep my COMMANDMENTS.

because on these two great commandments of LOVE to God and man hang all the law and the prophets (Matthew 22:36-40).

You try and separate LOVE from God's 10 Commandments but it is only LOVE that fulfills God's LAW in those who believe (Romans 13:8-10).

Those who break God's LAW commit SIN and do not LOVE God neither do they know him.

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

You are lying if you say you haven't and are not now judging me. There are multiple posts to that effect. And when have I ever said we are COMMANDED to keep Sunday as a holy day?