• Welcome to Christian Forums
  1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a forum to discuss Christianity in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

  2. The forums in the Christian Congregations category are now open only to Christian members. Please review our current Faith Groups list for information on which faith groups are considered to be Christian faiths. Christian members please remember to read the Statement of Purpose threads for each forum within Christian Congregations before posting in the forum.

Seventy Weeks Of Daniel

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Karen, Apr 24, 2002.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Karen

    Karen Mrs. Not Deceived, nOSAS

    22
    +0
    From my honey:

    Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    Sam's Paraphrase:

    God the Father: "Let me give this people and this city another 490 years. They've got 490 years to accomplish the following:

    "finish the transgression"

    Jesus: "Won't happen."

    The Father: "make an end of sins"

    The Son: "Won't happen. I will have to go."

    The Father: "make reconciliation for iniquity"

    The Lamb: "The blood of bulls and goats can't really do that."

    The Father: "bring in everlasting righteousness"

    The Prince of Peace: "Only I can do that. In person."

    The Father: "seal up the vision and prophecy"

    Yeshua: Well, Gabriel is going to spell it all out in the next few sentences after he tells about these things.

    The Father: "anoint the most Holy"

    Messiah: "Well, even though they may see the Spirit descend as a dove when I am baptized, not many will believe. But some will. And blessed will be those who do not see, and yet will believe."

    And so the angel Gabriel was sent to speak a prophecy to Daniel. He would pronouce a 490-year probationary period during which the people and the city of Jerusalem are to make things right. Of course, God knows they won't succeed, and He will send His only begotten Son to:

    "finish the transgression"

    "make an end of sins"

    "make reconciliation for iniquity"

    "bring in everlasting righteousness"

    "seal up the vision and prophecy"

    "anoint the most Holy"

    The people and the city are given 490 years in which to accomplish this, even though God knows they won't be able to do it. Just as the Law points us to Calvary because of our inability to keep it, so should Daniel 9:24 let us know only a Saviour could bring those things to pass.

    The 490-year probation would be cruelly cut short at about the 486-year mark by the "cutting off" of the Messiah, as prophesied in Daniel 9 and Isaiah 53.

    And ever since then, the Messiah has been dealing with transgressors and sinners. For it was in that cutting off that much of Daniel 9:24 was accomplished.



    AGIC,
    Karen
     
    We teamed up with Faith Counseling. Can they help you today?
  2. postrib

    postrib Well-Known Member

    508
    +0
    Christian
    In the Hebrew, "week" is the word for "seven" (shebuah), which has for its root the word for "complete" (shaba), so that "week" may represent "completion," which may refer in a sealed manner to the completion of time we call a year.

    Because of Daniel 9:25, I believe that from the commandment to restore the nation of physical Israel, there may be 7 years, and 62 years, and that in the 69th year Christ may come and fulfill all the requirements of Daniel 9:24 in "thy holy city" of physical Jerusalem, and in "thy holy people" of physical Israel (and so also fulfilling Isaiah 4:3-4), by the end of the 70th year, just as he fulfilled them in his spiritual kingdom at his 1st coming, but apart from physical Jerusalem (Hebrews 13:12, Luke 13:35) and apart from most of physical Israel (Matthew 21:43).

    I believe Daniel 9:26 says that 62 years after the resolution to restore Israel a false Messiah that will have arisen to rule Israel will be "covenanted" or "treatied" by the Antichrist, for the Hebrew word for "cut off" can also mean "to make a covenant," or treaty. This treaty is mentioned in the next verse, and I believe in Daniel 11:23, where it's referred to as a "league."

    I believe the Antichrist will make a 7-year treaty with a false Messiah ruling Israel, but somewhere in the midst of the 7 years the Antichrist will break the treaty and commit the abomination of desolation.
     
  3. Karen

    Karen Mrs. Not Deceived, nOSAS

    22
    +0
    Hi postrib,

    I don't see anywhere in Daniel 9:24-27 talking about restoring anything. Rather it's about destroying things...most especially man's idea that he can do anything to save himself. :)

    Have you seen the threads re the Posttrib Conferences? If not, please drop in at Posttrib Conferences and see if there's gonna be one close to you - if so, sign up! We'd love to meet ya!

    Karen
     
  4. postrib

    postrib Well-Known Member

    508
    +0
    Christian
    "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem..." (Daniel 9:25).

    I believe that we are still in the first 69 of the "70 weeks" of Daniel 9:24-27, that the 70th "week" will be the year after Jesus' 2nd coming, and that the 70 "weeks" will be complete when Daniel 9:24, and passages such as Isaiah 4:3-4, Zechariah 14:19-21, and Isaiah 62:6-7, are complete in physical Jerusalem and physical Israel.
     
  5. rainbow promise

    rainbow promise New Member

    40
    +0
    I went back and read some of the old posts. This one caught my eye.

    About the 70 weeks of Dan. The 70 week prophecy was part of the 2300 day prophecy. We need to remember that Bible time goes in a straight line from a beginning to an end. The 2300 day prophecy is no different.

    Daniel 9:24...Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
    This 70 week period cannot be in the future. Bible time goes in a straight line not in circles. This 70 weeks is cut out of the 2300 days and alloted to the Jews and the city of Jerusalem. God is giving His chosen nation another chance of 490 days (literally 490 years).

    The angel told Daniel to begin counting the 2,300 day and 70 week prophecies from the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. God's people were in captivity in the Persian empire at this time. The decree was made in the seventh year of King Artaxerxes, who began to reign in 464 BC(Ezra 7:7). So the decree was made in 457 BC, and was the only one that specified restoring and rebuilding Jerusalem. Dan.9:25,... Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jersusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times...
    If you count 69 weeks from 457BC It will take you to the Messiah the Prince....Messiah is the Hebrew word for "anointing by the Holy Ghost, and Christ is the Greek equivalent... This in fact did happen 69 weeks(483 literal years) after the decree of 457BC.......Luke 3:21,22 says this special anointing by the Holy Ghost took place at His baptism. ... Jesus began His ministry as the Messiah after His baptism in AD 27, 483 years after the decree. This is why Jesus began preaching after His baptism, that " The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand." Mark 1:15. He was speaking of the time prophecy in Dan. 9:25.

    The next part of that prophecy is found in Dan. 9:26,27...After threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself...And He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.
    Jesus is to be cut off or crucified in the middle of the last week of the 70 week prophecy. Counting three and one half years from His anointing in the fall of AD 27 would take us to the spring of Ad 31, which is precisely when Jesus was crucified. At the time He died, the temple veil was torn into two sections from top to bottom (Matt. 27:50,51)...........
    Jesus told His disciples to preach first to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. .. Jesus insisted that His disciples preach first to the Jews, because they still had three and a half years remaining of their 490 yrear opportunity to accept and proclaim the Messiah. The prophecy in Daniel 9:27 said that Jesus would confirm the covenant, or the great plan of salvation, with many for one prophetic week (7 years). But Jesus was crucified in the midst of that final week allotted to His chosen nation, so how could He confirm anything after His death? Hebrews 2:3 says "How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him." Jesu's disciples preached to the Jews for that final three and a half years, until the nation officiall rejected the gospel message in AD 34 when Stephen, a righteous deacon, was publicly stoned.

    Matt. 21:43..The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. .... Jesus had made it very clear that the special status of the Jewish nation would be revoked if the people persisted in rejectiong the Messiah.

    Gal. 3:29, And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
    Rom. 2:28,29..For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly;...But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly.......As of 34 AD the literal Jewish nation was no longer God's only chosen nation. The nation of Israel is no longer the central focus of end time prophecy. All who accept Jesus are His chosen and the promises made to literal Israel also applies to spiritual Israel.(Romans 9:6-8)

    Add the remaining 1,810 years and that takes you to the last timing in the 2300 day prophecy. Dan. 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
    The angel said that at that time, the heavenly sanctuary would be cleansed. (The earthly sanctuary was destroyed in AD 70) Jesus, our high priest in heaven (Hebrews 4:14-16; 8:1-5) began removing the records of sin from the heavenly sanctuary. This first phase of judgement takes place before Christ returns.

    1Peter 4:17 Judgment must begin at the house of God. .. This first phase of judgment considers only those who claim to be God's children.

    That is as far as I am taking this at this time, as this is where it ends in Dan. 9...

    Those these prophecies are fulfilled, there are many that are not as of yet fulfilled.
     
  6. rollinTHUNDER

    rollinTHUNDER Veteran

    +8
    United States
    Protestant
    Married
    US-Libertarian
    This view is a Preterist view. It is not allowed on this forum. But I see there are many preterists still coming here. This forum is once again a mess. What are you all doing, changing your member names and sneaking back on?? It also appears that someone is recruiting you preterists. How did you hear about this forum??
     
  7. jenlu

    jenlu Member

    246
    +1
    this is not a preterist view Rollin Thunder...Preterist beleive all prophecy fulfilled...this post does not...it just takes Daniels prophecy as fulfilled...I suggest instead of knocking the post, try to learn from it...I have not changed my screen name, and I'm not a preterist, but this post makes a lot of sense...it definitely gives me something to think about...I for one would like to hear more...

    rainbow promise, bring it the the spirituality and ethics board if they don't let you post here...great open minded discussion taking place there on some of these very things...
     
  8. rollinTHUNDER

    rollinTHUNDER Veteran

    +8
    United States
    Protestant
    Married
    US-Libertarian
    This is a preterist view. If the prophecies of Daniel were already fulfilled, then you would also be forced to believe that the book of Revelation has already been fulfilled also, because they go hand in hand with one another. Also, for one to believe this, then they would also believe that the tribulation occurred almost 2000 years ago, either that or that it won't happen at all. She is a preterist. I have no doubt about that, but she's not the only one disregarding the rules of this forum. I see plenty of others that are here doing the same thing. Their presence on this forum can only offer a bunch of arguing, as we have already proven this point.
     
  9. rainbow promise

    rainbow promise New Member

    40
    +0
    WHAT THE WORLD IS A PRETERIST..... If it means that one believes all prophecies have been fullfilled that leaves me out....I know that all prophecies aren't future. I also know that considering the length of time since Daniel that something had to have come to be....and if you read and equate using your own mind a history book and the Bible you would see that daniel prophecied this and that has happened. Also if you read the time told by the angel to Dan you would also see that it had to start back when I said. ....
     
  10. rainbow promise

    rainbow promise New Member

    40
    +0
    see rolling, you are just confused. Dan. being fulfilled does not make the prophecies of Rev. all fulfilled.

    Rev. thirteen is not fullfilled... The last trumpet, the seventh seal are not fulfilled, etc. Dan. may over lap into some of Rev. but not completely fulfilling it.

    The 1,000 years are future.

    The message of the third angel is future

    the mark of the beast is future.

    the seal of God is future.

    Should I keep going.

    To be totally honest the prophecy of Dan. 2 has not been totally fullfilled. ...

    I don't think you realy understand preterism.
     
  11. rainbow promise

    rainbow promise New Member

    40
    +0
    thanks Jenlu for the invitation......
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...