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moicherie

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I understand what you are saying moicherie... there is still racism today, from both sides... But the point is that we all deal with prejudices from other people. I moved on to another job just recently after my last company I worked for decided that I was too open with talking about Jesus and praying with people.

Does it do me any good to moan and groan about it, or does it do more good to love the ones who caused this "trial" in my life and hopefully show them a small glimpse of Jesus love. I have tried my best to love those people who complained about my faith, if I complained back would they see Jesus?
I understand your point however their is a difference between a religious belief and ethinicity. One chooses ones spiritual walk one does not chose melanin content.
 
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Has it ever occurred to you that these hints are intenden to alert you to the impact of your words? If you feel it is your right to speak however you wish why you should you deny another the privilege to respond as they deem appropriate?
 
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Has it ever occurred to you that these hints are intenden to alert you to the impact of your words? If you feel it is your right to speak however you wish why you should you deny another the privilege to respond as they deem appropriate?
Perhaps you would do well to not fuel the flames Sent. Isn't that what pastors are for?
 
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Yeah? I think you are having issues with reading comprehension. Nowhere did I say or imply that racism was an african american only issue.

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Some who have posted in this thread would have you believe that very thing.
 
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I understand your point however their is a difference between a religious belief and ethinicity. One chooses ones spiritual walk one does not chose melanin content.


I'm not buying it... It doesn't matter why you someone is prejudiced against you it matters how you respond to the prejudices.
 
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I'm not buying it... It doesn't matter why you someone is prejudiced against you it matters how you respond to the prejudices.
It sure does, so imagine one's reponse say 40 years ago if a white Christian Adventist told another nonwhite Christian Adventist that in their fight for civil rights they were living in the past and should just forgive and forget and move on?
 
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Perhaps you would do well to not fuel the flames Sent. Isn't that what pastors are for?
My job is to let my people understand when the heat they feel is not coming from a space heater but from a conflagration.
 
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I'm not buying it... It doesn't matter why you someone is prejudiced against you it matters how you respond to the prejudices.
Yoiu are missing a fundamental point. This is not about individuals. The racism that an individual shows comes form a racist environment. My ability to ignore prejudice towards me doest nothing to protect the other members of my group who will be affected by the other group. The battle is not over when I am comfortable.
 
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Here's the problem how I see it. NOT ONE person in those forum has been a slave. That practice ended almost 200 yrs ago. However, there are yet today ppl alive who DID live thru the holocaust. So to try to equate the two is unrealistic.

Now does racism and prejudice still exist--sure it does. And if anyone says that they are completely free from those feelings-they would be lying.

But we must also strive to overcome prejudice without a cause. And THAT goes for ALL sides of this issue.

I refuse to make compensation for acts of which I nor my family members never engaged in. And I find it shocking that there are some ppl in this forum who feel that something is 'owed' to them because of their color or ethnic background.

Folks--life is a sink or swim situation. And like in the judgment-we stand alone. We cannot blame someone else for our actions. We can't say that 'he made me do it or' or she is responsible for what I did'

So why are still hearing that it's someone else's fault if we are held back in life. There are far too many success stories of ALL races throughout the world where the individual has succeeded despite the harshest of circumstances. So the blame game has got to stop.
 
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Even if one thinks one has a cause for prejudice that is not an attitude that should be part of the Christian lifestyle. I do not recall anyone in this thread saying it is x fault for them being held back in life. What has been spoken of it the enviroment we live in that seems to have stepped on people's toes. Pointing out that the playing field even today is not totally level is not blaming but stating a fact.
 
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Yoiu are missing a fundamental point. This is not about individuals. The racism that an individual shows comes form a racist environment. My ability to ignore prejudice towards me doest nothing to protect the other members of my group who will be affected by the other group. The battle is not over when I am comfortable.


There will always be prejudices and EVERYONE will experience some form of prejudice against them. This world is a racist environment! Not until Jesus comes will this issue of prejudice and racism be resolved. However, the point is that it is not just racism of ethnicity but many other forms. The problem as I see it is that many in the black community are benefiting greatly from it and thus want to keep it going and in the lime light as much as possible to continue extorting money for their own selfish purposes. On an individual level there is ethnic racism along with relgious, cultural, gender, age, etc... Injustices are done but this happens to everyone in some form and it is not that we are persecuted but how we respond to that persecution that matters.
 
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My job is to let my people understand when the heat they feel is not coming from a space heater but from a conflagration.
I agree. And as much as I like the point, I like even better that you used the word "conflagration" to end it!

When people feel at risk in their lives and move into defensive postures, prejudice expresses through the modality of least resistance. Race and sexual orientation being two of many ways. Gated communities. Rage from the religious toward the new age. Rage from the new age toward the religious. On and on.

An analogy (admittedly a bit weak) is addiction. You can intensely focus on a specific addiction and eventually stop the behavior through which the energy expresses (maybe), but unless you address the more systemic injury, the pattern of addiction will take the next best path. Eating. Shopping. Sexual addiction.

When we operate only from a posture of strong duality, there is always the other that seems separate. For me, this was such a paradigm-blowing aspect of the life of Jesus. He shattered a bunch of these. Gave people a sense of the One.
 
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There will always be prejudices and EVERYONE will experience some form of prejudice against them. This world is a racist environment! Not until Jesus comes will this issue of prejudice and racism be resolved. However, the point is that it is not just racism of ethnicity but many other forms. The problem as I see it is that many in the black community are benefiting greatly from it and thus want to keep it going and in the lime light as much as possible to continue extorting money for their own selfish purposes. On an individual level there is ethnic racism along with relgious, cultural, gender, age, etc... Injustices are done but this happens to everyone in some form and it is not that we are persecuted but how we respond to that persecution that matters.
Many in the black community? You took a poll? There are about 38 million people estimate who identify as black in the USA you saying many of those do what you mentioned? How many? Or are you making sweeping generalisations about an entire ethnic group based on skin colour (there is a word for that) and coming from a Christian..... oh la la)
 
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