Setting it Straight

[moicherie]

Look at the previous couple of posts and I think you'll understand.

The quote is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[moicherie]

Stormy-don't buy into that lie. I live in the heart of chicken factory country. At the time those plants opened, it was only local farm ppl that hired in. I am referring to Tyson's chicken. As the years rolled on, and Tyson became the world's #1 chicken producer, the people in those plants fought for better working conditions, wages and benefits. Tyson didn't want to let them share in the immense wealth that their own hands brought that company.

Do you know what Tyson did? They sent hundreds of 'reps' to Mexico and brought back thousands of Mexican workers to replace the local people who worked there for many years. Not only did people lose their jobs, but the Mexicans were hired in being paid lower wages then those they replaced. Every body got hurt but Tyson.

The same goes for harvesting too. There isn't a job that an American worker won't do--IF-they are paid a fair wages.

1Ti 5:18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

Your example shows the the blame lies with businesses not with the migrant worker.

 

[djconklin]

I am NOT a racist nor a bigot. For heavens sake--ALL my ancestors are immigrants to this country. But the BIG difference is that they did it LEGALLY.

Oh?!? What were the laws regulating immigration way back then? As I recall, as long as you weren't deathly ill or carrying a contagious disease you were allowed in. And previous to that there were no laws about entry.

Oh, how I hate this new keyboard! It posted my post while I was still typing it!

 

[moicherie]

Seems to me that Booker T. Washington was an individual who was a part of the group in question. Certainly he would have more of a right to speak of something that you have not experienced.

You seem to equate the concept of reparations as being bitter that says more about you than it does about the concept.

 

[moicherie]

So, in what form might these amends manifest themselves. Who pays, who receives? And if God Himself does not make the children pay for the sins of the fathers, why should anyone?

I never owned a slave, neither did any of my fathers. As a matter of fact, I recall my great-grandparents reviling the practice. So, where does that leave my family and millions of other families who never had a thing to do with slavery? Do we pay for something we are not guilty of?

Do you see how sticky this is? And why live in a past that none of us today had any say in? The problems of today are big enough.

Lets see thats something the government can sort out after all I believe a system was worked out with the Native Americans, Japanse Americans, the Germans worked out a system with the Jews... so the idea is not impossible except when it comes to people with a natural tan all or a sudden its a bad idea...... mmmmmm

 

[JonMiller]

I am not sure how to fix it. And I know that just writing a check won't. But a lot of the problems that the african american community faces today have their roots in slavery.

JM

 

[moicherie]

I am not sure how to fix it. And I know that just writing a check won't. But a lot of the problems that the african american community faces today have their roots in slavery.

JM

At least you see the problems of today have their roots in the past unlike some others.

 

[mva1985]

The quote is irrelevant to the discussion.

That is your opinion - and your entitled to it.

 

[mva1985]

You seem to equate the concept of reparations as being bitter that says more about you than it does about the concept.

What does it say about me?

 

[mva1985]

At least you see the problems of today have their roots in the past unlike some others.

How does the fact that slavery ended almost 145 years ago affect you today?

 

[moicherie]

How does the fact that slavery ended almost 145 years ago affect you today?

OOO kay I shall assume you are not of African descent to ask such and 'interesting' question

mm lets see ever heard of
DWB?
SWB?
WWB?
If you can translate those ancronyms then we can talk.

 

[moicherie]

What does it say about me?

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[moicherie]

What does it say about me?

A lot, especially post 72

 

[mva1985]

OOO kay I shall assume you are not of African descent to ask such and 'interesting' question

mm lets see ever heard of
DWB?
SWB?
WWB?
If you can translate those ancronyms then we can talk.

Have you had a run in with the police lately?

People get pulled over for their tail lights.
Driving while swerving.
Running red lights.
Or just plain ole running from the police.

I've been pulled over for expired registration
Pulled over for blocking an intersection.
Pulled over for speeding - couple of times.
Questioned for sitting in my car in a park - twice.
Pulled over for headlight out - couple of times.

Maybe I could make a case for DWW?

 

[sentipente]

MVA, that last post of yours says volumes.

 

[mva1985]

MVA, that last post of yours says volumes.

Its to bad people are afraid to tell me what I'm saying then.

Just brush it off with a simple [SIZE=-1]cliché[/SIZE].

 

[mva1985]

MVA, that last post of yours says volumes.

Are you discounting my experience?

 

[sentipente]

Are you discounting my experience?

Let's lay it on the line. You should be wise enough to realize that it is ridiculous to recount experiences that blacks have in common with you as a way of negating the unique experiences blacks have with the police that you will never have. It gives the impression that you are not interested in intelligent discourse but are only here to defend a point of view. I am beginning to see why you have a problem with this topic.

 

[OntheDL]

Today's America in general, there is more racism from the blacks towards the majority than there is from the majority towards the blacks.

That's why if you have a country singer utter 'lets not fight among ourselves, lets go kill some blacks', there'd be an uproar. But apparently it's not the case with the rappers. Do you see Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson lining up outside the record company?

When a black student can score 200 points lower on the SAT than everyone else to get into same college thanks to affirmative action, I don't hear anyone screaming racism. Where are they?

The history of slavery is not the cause of the black community today. Go to the black neighborhood, and see the fatherless kids running around the street corners. That's the problem: the lack of family upbringing, the lack of responsible men.

What stops a black person from succeeding in America? A plan and hard work.

I'm not racist because I have a color TV at home.

 

[mva1985]

Let's lay it on the line. You should be wise enough to realize that it is ridiculous to recount experiences that blacks have in common with you as a way of negating the unique experiences blacks have with the police that you will never have. It gives the impression that you are not interested in intelligent discourse but are only here to defend a point of view. I am beginning to see why you have a problem with this topic.

Every person's experience with the police is unique.

I am definitely interested in intelligent, honest discussion.

I am not the only one here that has come defending a point of view.

Both you and moicherie have essentially called me a racist because of my comments.