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Featured September 23 'sign in the heavens' debunked.

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Steve Petersen, Aug 30, 2017.

  1. Dave Watchman

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    It was meant to be.

    I don't.

    Because you have kept My Word,,,,

    I will keep YOU from the hour of trial.

    Because you did this for Me,,,,

    I will do this for you.

    This is decided before the hour of trial begins. Because we have kept His Word to endure patiently, He will keep us through or during the hour of trial. Why? Because we have kept His Word before the hour of trial began.

    That word "from", ἐκ, can also mean "through" the hour of trial. He can keep us through the hour of trial, just like He kept Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego "through" Nebuchadnezzar's best fire.

    And if you're on this list, you are NOT going to be taken captive, you are NOT going to be slain by the sword. You will be "left" standing to see the Son of Man. And that means you'll go from life to life and never taste physical death.

    ἐκ:
    from out, out from among, fromfrom out, out from among, from, suggesting from the interior outwards.
    Strong's:
    ἐκ:
    literal or figurative; direct or remote)
    Derivation: a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause;
    KJV Usage: after, among, X are, at, betwixt(-yond), by (the means of), exceedingly, (+ abundantly above), for(- th), from (among, forth, up), + grudgingly, + heartily, X heavenly, X hereby, + very highly, in, …ly, (because, by reason) of, off (from), on, out among (from, of), over, since, X thenceforth, through, X unto, X vehemently, with(-out).
     
  2. Riberra

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    If you read the text in context by including verse 12...you will see that there is a major point that you have overlooked ....OVERCOMETH

    Jesus will give us the strength to OVERCOME during the hour of trial....Now look at what is promised to those who OVERCOME ...



    Revelation 3:10-12
    10 Because thou didst keep The WORD of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that [hour] which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    11 I come quickly: hold fast that which thou hast, that no one take thy crown.

    12 He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.

    Now look at these 2 other reference to OVERCOME in Revelation...

    Revelation 12:11 KJV
    And they OVERCAME him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the WORD of their testimony; and they loved not their life even unto death.

    Because thou have kept my WORD even unto death....

    Revelation 21
    7 HE THAT OVERCOMETH shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

    8 But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part [shall be] in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
     
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  3. keras

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    When people realize that we Christians are the inheritors of God's promises to ethnic Israel, Romans 8:16-18, Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 1:11-14, +, then we know what God's amazing Plan is for His people who love Him and keep His Commandments.
    We Christians are the people who will, at last, be the people God always wanted in His holy Land; His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, and the Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8
    We will fulfil all the detailed prophesies of the great second Exodus, Psalms 107 tells of the migration, Isaiah 35:1-10 about entering the Land and Amos 9:13-15 how the Lord will bless us.
    There will be tough times, but for the last 1260 days, [the Great Trib] some; those Christians who kept the Covenant: Daniel 11:32, will be taken to a place of safety on earth. Revelation 12:14 When Jesus Returns, it is them who will be gathered back to Jerusalem. Matthew 24:31.
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  4. JacksBratt

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    Are you saying that in excess of 2.2 billion Christians are going to be "taken" to a place of safety? In Israel?
    All 2.2 billion are going to be allowed to make this pilgrimage to a place of safety?

    I cannot fathom that.
    Christ is going to be married to His bride. There will be the Marriage and the Marriage feast before we are to return with Him at the very end....
    How does this happen if we are removed at the end?

    Sorry, Cannot see the more than 2.2 billion Christians hiding, fleeing anywhere, traveling, or any other action other than being "caught up" while the "one who restrains" is removed as well.

    This leaves Satan and all the unbelievers on earth with no Holy Spirit or Church to intervene.

    Sounds like the right setting for the Wrath of God to be poured out on mankind.
     
  5. Forgive 70 times 7

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    When God made lights in firmament of heaven Genesis 1:14 , they were mainly made for signs and for seasons , then for days and years in this order of importance .

    You simply switch the order and pretend that Jesus will never come and that there are no signs or appointed times
     
  6. Copperhead

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    AIG was extremely disingenuous with their assertion. They discount the line up of the planets, since they are not "stars". Yet, "planet" comes from the Latin which means wandering star.

    The article writer said he had heard of this 15 years ago. Funny, Scottie Clarke, the one that has been given credit for actually determining this cosmic event, discovered it, maybe at most, 7 years ago. Lying doesn't help AIG's case.

    They also fail to take into account that Jupiter does a retrograde operation in the womb area of Virgo for 9 months, the human gestation period. That is the kicker than makes this cosmic lineup unique. The 12 stars above Virgo's head, clothed in the sun (this occurrence is at sunrise), with the moon at her feet, and Jupiter (the king planet) spending 9 months in the womb area and exiting between Virgo's legs on September 23rd. Many have tracked this out using various cosmic computer programs and, with all the details, this arrangement has not occurred since, maybe 3950 BC, which would be roughly Adam's time.

    I read AIG's analysis and it didn't take long to find out they were playing fast and loose with how they approached this. They barely took any time to actually look at all the details and it shows. They just came out of the gate with a debunking attitude and not one of serious inquiry. But then....

    Proverbs 18:13 (NKJV) He who answers a matter before he hears it,
    It is folly and shame to him.

    Whether this cosmic event has some meaning of a rapture or some disaster, that is for each to decide. Scottie Clarke, the one attributed to finding this, has not stated that a rapture will occur. He has said it is a possibility, but that is as far as he has gone.
     
  7. Steve Petersen

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    According to this, Jupiter started retrograde on Feb 6 and ended it on June 10. This is not nine months.
     
  8. Copperhead

    Copperhead Newbie Supporter

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    The appearance of Jupiter coming out of the womb on June 10th is part of the retrograde operation. Jupiter is in the womb now as we speak. Jupiter does not exit between Virgo's legs until September 23rd. Expand this image and you will see Jupiter does not leave Virgo till September 2017. It never crossed beyond the bounds of Virgo for 42 weeks. It entered Virgo in December 2016 and exits in September 2017. Your source is smoking something illegal.

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  9. Copperhead

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  10. GeorgeJ

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    Folks attempting to guess the "general time of the rapture" always use the caveat "it's a possibility"....that's an easy way out of their guessing game when they're proved wrong.

    Someone will claim something happened on or immediately September 23rd, so they can keep this end times merry-go-round spinning.

    I really think the great majority of this is wishful thinking and nothing more.

    Folks give up on all this guessing and speculation and come join the rest of us in the real world! If this is gonna happen, it'll happen in God's own good time, and not just because you want it to.
     
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  11. Copperhead

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    Yep. We will see. I dearly love how some will ridicule others without even bothering to research things out to see if there is any substance. One can always tell they struck gold when that happens.
     
  12. DavidPT

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    Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:


    Does this great sign in verse 1 precede or follow the following?

    Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

    Does this great sign in verse 1 precede or follow the following?

    Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
    5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

    Once that is determined, whom is the man child in verse 5 referring to? If it's referring to Jesus like some of us tend to conclude, we know verse 5 is an already past event. If the great sign in verse 1 precedes that of verse 5, that apparently makes the great sign a past event as well, that alone debunking that this sign will occur Sep 23, 2017. Could it be as simple as this? Maybe, maybe not.
     
  13. Riberra

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    You forget verse 3
    Revelation 12:3
    3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

    If any, that passage is about Satan and his fallen angels being cast out of Heaven down to the Earth ....

    Revelation 12:4
    4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
    ......
    7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

    11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

    12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

    13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
     
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  14. keras

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    It's a shame that you and so many other Christians know nothing about God's plans for His people in these last days of this era.
    Your statistic of 2.2 b. Christians includes every nominal and marginal person that says Christianity is their faith. The actual number of faithful, born again Christians, may be many millions, but is far from billions.
    God will test everyone first and those who stand firm in their faith to Him, will be gathered into all of the holy Land, from the Nile to the Euphrates. Psalm 107, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Zechariah 8:1-8, +
     
  15. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Amazing then that you are 'the' person that knows God's plans! You are so blessed my friend.
     
  16. keras

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    The second 'great sign in the heavens' clearly happens at the mid point of the last seven years before Jesus Returns.
    Proved by how the 'woman', that is: all of God's people who did not violate the Covenant, Daniel 11:32, goes to a place of safety during that 1260 days. Then Jesus Returns.
     
  17. DavidPT

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    I left verse 3 out on purpose, otherwise it would be another sign to add. If the first one allegedly points to Sep 23, 2017, what about the 2nd one then? Instead of going through all of that, I figured it could be debunked without that verse. Because depending on whom one takes the man child to be meaning, and if meaning Christ, verse 4 says----for to devour her child as soon as it was born. Can't apply that to anytime in the future if referring to Christ. And if the sign in verse 1 precedes the time the man child is born, and if the man child is meaning Christ, don't need to include verse 3, like I said, to debunk a future fulfillment of verse 1. If the man child in that chapter is referring to something else and not Christ, then it is possible verse 1 could still be a future sign.
     
  18. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Amazed at how many people claim to know God's word. These people also have many different interpretations of God's word. Which one is right?
     
  19. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    I do NOT say I know it all, but I do know from my intensive study of the Prophetic Word, that what God wanted the ancient Israelites to do; be His witnesses and His Light to the nations and what they never did, will be fulfilled by the Christians, from every race, nation and language, as they become the sons of the Living God in all of His holy Land. Romans 9:24-26
    God said, thru Daniel 12:9-10, that a few will know the truth of His plans.
    From your attitude, you are just one of the scoffers. 2 Peter 3:1-7
     
  20. Riberra

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    If there is a way to verify that the 23 sept sign have exactly the same [configuration] that appeared in the sky in 3 BC ...then it have a double meaning.

    One thing is sure, the sign in verse 1 WILL PRECEDE the other sign of verse 3....

    If the sign in verse 1 is a reference about Jesus Christ[born in 3 BC]

    then the remnant of the woman seed are us [Christians]
     
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