Senator Rubio thinks guilt isn’t enough

[Kentonio]

"Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office."

So there you have it. Being guilty isn’t enough to have to face justice anymore. A president can do anything they like just so long as their party decide they’d rather keep them in office anyway.

We live in a very dark time now.

 

[jgarden]

Senator Rubio thinks guilt isn’t enough

My question is how can Americans have any respect for a Senator like Ted Cruz who has aligned himself with a President who 4 years ago personally insulted himself, his wife and even accused his father of being a participant in the JFK assassination?

To my knowledge this President has never made a public apology or retraction concerning these allegations, but in the world of Republican politics Senators are more than willing to make "unholy alliances" for the privilege of exercising power!

 

[wing2000]

“just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office. …I will not vote to remove the President because doing so would inflict extraordinary and potentially irreparable damage to our already divided nation."

The law and order party has become the party of cowardice and complicity

...in other words: Rubio doesn't have faith in Americans nor our Constitution.

 

[Tom 1]

So there you have it. Being guilty isn’t enough to have to face justice anymore. A president can do anything they like just so long as their party decide they’d rather keep them in office anyway.

We live in a very dark time now.

I’m not so sure it’s anything new or surprising. The driving force in US politics appears to be the question ‘am I getting what I want?’, and Trump is delivering what a lot of people want. The confusion comes in through all of the comical dressing up this gets in moralistic and religious language. Jesus’ name gets slapped onto anything and everything, from gun ownership to the worship of wealth to the supposed superiority of ‘white culture’. Trump delivers both to those who have and those who have not but who believe the propaganda pushed by evangelical leaders and the laughable ‘press’ represented by Fox and the like that the real problem is something to do with Muslims, Mexicans, socialists and ‘libtards’, and that it can all be resolved by just pretending that the US can do anything it wants, forever, with no price tag. All of the moralising, religiosity, sham legal arguments and the rest of it are just window dressing for the basic ‘as long as I’m getting mine’ mentality behind it all. Trump is of course the ultimate example of that - sick of your wife? Ditch her and get another one. Can’t pay your debts/don’t what to pay your staff? Go bankrupt. Can’t do anything properly? Well, just fake it until you...keep on faking it. The interesting question is what is actually behind the need to make it all seem legit - it would be interesting to delve into why people feel the need to paint over their basic urges to grab what they can with appeals to some sort of American Jesus, or clumsy notions about the founding fathers, and so on.

 

[Nithavela]

Senator Rubio thinks guilt isn’t enough

My question is how can Americans have any respect for a Senator like Ted Cruz who has aligned himself with a President who 4 years ago personally insulted himself, his wife and even accused his father of being a participant in the JFK assassination?

To my knowledge this President has never made a public apology or retraction concerning these allegations, but in the world of Republican politics Senators are more than willing to make "unholy alliances" for the privilege of exercising power!

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

I’m not so sure it’s anything new or surprising. The driving force in US politics appears to be the question ‘am I getting what I want?’, and Trump is delivering what a lot of people want. The confusion comes in through all of the comical dressing up this gets in moralistic and religious language. Jesus’ name gets slapped onto anything and everything, from gun ownership to the worship of wealth to the supposed superiority of ‘white culture’. Trump delivers both to those who have and those who have not but who believe the propaganda pushed by evangelical leaders and the laughable ‘press’ represented by Fox and the like that the real problem is something to do with Muslims, Mexicans, socialists and ‘libtards’, and that it can all be resolved by just pretending that the US can do anything it wants, forever, with no price tag. All of the moralising, religiosity, sham legal arguments and the rest of it are just window dressing for the basic ‘as long as I’m getting mine’ mentality behind it all. Trump is of course the ultimate example of that - sick of your wife? Ditch her and get another one. Can’t pay your debts/don’t what to pay your staff? Go bankrupt. Can’t do anything properly? Well, just fake it until you...keep on faking it. The interesting question is what is actually behind the need to make it all seem legit - it would be interesting to delve into why people feel the need to paint over their basic urges to grab what they can with appeals to some sort of American Jesus, or clumsy notions about the founding fathers, and so on.

Alexis de Tocqueville you ain’t. That’s partisan propaganda and nothing more. "America" encompasses all the leftist villains, and their woes, which you conveniently ignore in the above.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

So there you have it. Being guilty isn’t enough to have to face justice anymore. A president can do anything they like just so long as their party decide they’d rather keep them in office anyway.

We live in a very dark time now.

No you've got that one wrong.
There were NO TRUE grounds for impeachment.

M-Bob

 

[Kentonio]

No you've got that one wrong.
There were NO TRUE grounds for impeachment.

M-Bob

Senator Lamar Alexander told you already that Trump is guilty. You need to catch up with the ever moving goalposts. The current argument is that yes Trump did it but it doesn’t matter.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Senator Lamar Alexander told you already that Trump is guilty. You need to catch up with the ever moving goalposts. The current argument is that yes Trump did it but it doesn’t matter.

Ok so answer this for me
what did Biden do?
M-Bob

 

[Kentonio]

Ok so answer this for me
what did Biden do?
M-Bob

I don’t care about your deflections. Trump is guilty, even his own party say he’s guilty, and he’s going to go unpunished. Between now and the election he will do anything he wants with no oversight whatsoever, and potentially for another 4 years afterwards.

 

[FireDragon76]

So there you have it. Being guilty isn’t enough to have to face justice anymore. A president can do anything they like just so long as their party decide they’d rather keep them in office anyway.

We live in a very dark time now.

I was watching PBS New Hour yesterday and one commentator said something similar. Trump did it but half the country would declare a coup if he were removed, even though he deserves it.

It is dark stuff. The integrity of our republic has been compromised.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

I was watching PBS New Hour yesterday and one commentator said something similar. Trump did it but half the country would declare a coup if he were removed, even though he deserves it.

It is dark stuff. The integrity of our republic has been compromised.

I wonder what percentage would declare a coup if Trump loses in 2020. By not doing anything to shore up election security, Trump has a go to excuse if he loses. I have no faith that he will go quietly, even if he were to lose the electoral map by triple digits. Seeing as it is going to be close, it would only get more ugly.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

It is dark stuff. The integrity of our Republic has been compromised.

To be fair, many of "us" felt the same way under Obama. I believe he was energized by "dark" forces, all the more so because he looked and sounded so good while whispering his sweet little lies.

Yet we survived him, just as you will survive Trump.

 

[Albion]

I wonder what percentage would declare a coup if Trump loses in 2020.

Hardly any. So that's quite a departure from what we have lived through for the past three years!

 

[FireDragon76]

I wonder what percentage would declare a coup if Trump loses in 2020.

It really depends at this point on who the Democrats run for President.

 

[FireDragon76]

Senator Rubio thinks guilt isn’t enough

My question is how can Americans have any respect for a Senator like Ted Cruz who has aligned himself with a President who 4 years ago personally insulted himself, his wife and even accused his father of being a participant in the JFK assassination?

To my knowledge this President has never made a public apology or retraction concerning these allegations, but in the world of Republican politics Senators are more than willing to make "unholy alliances" for the privilege of exercising power!

It's like a gang or crime family, you take your licks and it's a badge of membership.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Hardly any. So that's quite a departure from what we have lived through for the past three years!

So you think some will. And a coup is using illegal means to overthrow the government. The impeachment is a legal avenue for removing the President. By definition what the House did was not a coup.

 

[jgarden]

No you've got that one wrong.
There were NO TRUE grounds for impeachment.

M-Bob

“If a President does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment,”
- Alan Dershowitz

Trump's constitutional lawyer, Alan Dershowitz, provided Republican Senators with the excuse they were all looking for - as long as the President contends that his actions are in the best interests of the nation, he/she are above the law and not subject to impeachment!

Never mind that the overwhelming majority of America's constitutional lawyers are vehemently opposed, the President is not above the law and that he/she does not have to commit a criminal offence to be subject to impeachment - given that the Senate's authority is limited to removing a President from office, but must leave it to the courts to impose additional penalties!

Despite this inconsistencies, McConnell and his "motley crew" got exactly what the President ordered - the "legal cover" to admit that Trump abused his authority but not to subpoena further documents and witnesses and to refrain from holding him accountable!

With the current shocking abdication of effective congressional oversight, this President can now make the same claim as France's "sun king" Louis XlV - "I AM THE STATE!"

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

It's like a gang or crime family, you take your licks and it's a badge of membership.

I’ve been thinking lately that Republican Congress members have been acting like Gretchen Wieners. “It’s better to be in the Plastics hating life than not be in at all.”

 

[FireDragon76]

Trump's constitutional lawyer, Alan Dershowitz, provide Republican Senators with the excuse they were looking for - as long as the President thinks that his actions are for the good of the nation, he has a "green light" to do anything he wants!

Never mind that the overwhelming majority of America's constitutional lawyers are vehemently opposed, McConnell and his "motley crew" got the "legal cover" they paid for!

With the shocking abdication of effective congressional oversight, this President can now make the same claim as France's "sun king" Louis XlV - "I AM THE STATE!"

According to the constitutional argument that Alan Dershowitztalan dershowitzalan dershowitz

Dershowitz gave a legal defense he must have dug out of a Cracker Jack box. It was truly disgraceful.