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Sen. Hirono grills Amy Coney Barrett for describing sexual orientation as a ‘preference’

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by Oompa Loompa, Oct 17, 2020.

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  1. Oompa Loompa

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    I don't know if anyone else has thought about this. But I am suspecting that making the phrase "sexual preference" offensive to LGBT because they feel their sexual orientation isn't a choice is one more progressive step towards the normalization of pedophilia. Now hear me out. If sexual orientation isn't a choice, wouldn't pedophiles therefore fall into a protected class if they cannot control their sexual orientation towards children? Why or why not? What if the child consents?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/14/sexual-preference-coney-barrett-hirono/

     
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    Except kids can't consent to being sexually abused. So pedophiles need to stay away from children. Or be kept somewhere, so they cant rape kids. I do think there's something wrong with child molester.
     
  3. Lord Give Me A Sign

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    I honestly cant stand the lgbt!! Its like 2 sins in one because pride is also a sin. And they have disturbing side agendas

    Its not anything against gays, i have my problems with sexual immorality and im no better. Barrett said nothing wrong
     
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  5. plain jayne

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    You didn't really just say that, did you? Children cannot consent to adult sexual activity. Their brains are not developed fully and that's critical. They have no idea of the physical, social, and mental ramifications of a sexual relationship. Their limited cognitive development is such that their "consent" is not an informed one nor a legal one nor a adult one.

    A child may even give permission, but that does not constitute LEGAL consent. For example, a kindergarten boy may be asked by the police, "Did you want to touch him [adult man] down there?" The boy may say yes. But ask him why and he may say, "He said he would come to my house and kill my puppy if I didn't."

    Even if a child says they consented - such as a 14-year-old girl in a "relationship" with a 32-year-old man. She has NO IDEA of the risk involved and the jail time this man will serve. She cannot fully comprehend the absolute inappropriateness of what this man is doing to her. All she knows is he likes her, he gives her presents, makes her feel good, and makes her feel grown-up.

    Children cannot give legal and informed consent.
     
  6. FireDragon76

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    The old "gays are pedophiles" canard. Charming.

    And you all wonder why more and more Americans don't find American Evangelicals credible moral authorities?
     
  7. St_Worm2

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    Hello @Oompa Loompa, I don't believe that "Sexual Preference" became an offensive phrase until October 14th this year. Until that day, I heard it used regularly as a descriptive phrase by gay and straight alike, including Vice President Biden (who used it again on air on 10/13), and by many, many others recently as well, like Clinton appointed SCOTUS member, Ruth Bader Ginsburg).

    No one meant any harm when they used it (and apparently, no one knew it was offensive either, until the Senator from Hawaii let us know, that is). In fact, I've heard that phrase used over and over again, both in print and on air, for several years, but I cannot remember a single time that it was ever used in a derogatory manner.

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  8. FireDragon76

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    "Sexual preference" is archaic language at best. Depending on the context, it can be highly offensive (and I personally find the use of the term by VP Biden or the late justice Ginsberg's cringeworthy, but excusable due to them belonging to a generation where it commonly existed alongside pervasive homophobia). Sen. Hirono is within her rights to point out how Barret's use of language is problematic, to discern whether it indicates some relevant personal bias that would render her incapable of impartially judging a case involving LGBT persons.
     
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    Hello FireDragon, I'm not denying that the term may be offensive to some, but if that's been true for years now, it's been one of the best kept secrets that I know of :preach: Like me, most never realized that it was considered to be an offensive phrase by some (it was certainly never intended as such in my reading/hearing, as I said above) until we heard Senator Hirono's recent comments concerning it, that is.

    Now we know :oldthumbsup:

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  10. FireDragon76

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    It's more commonly understood as an offensive dog whistle in the LGBT community or by those who associate or ally with the LGBT community.

    Sen. Hirono lives in a state that has a great deal of gay acceptance in its culture and the religion she was brought up in (Shin Buddhism) has a longer, and stronger, history of affirming the dignity of LGBT persons than most Christian churches, so that's probably why she in particular focused on Judge Barrett's questionable choice of phrase.
     
  11. FireDragon76

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    It would indeed be hard, and I haven't met any actual "liberals" that favor lowering the age of consent beyond what it currently is, so please stop it with this irrelevant argument.

    Gender isn't a scientific category in the first place, it's a philosophical category so you're attacking a strawman. Nobody that supports transgender rights questions legitimate science. The issue has more to do with the philosophy of science, metaphysics, and even epistemology, which is a philosophical and not a scientific domain.
     
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  12. GoldenBoy89

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    Preference implies it’s a choice. Gays don’t choose their orientation any more than straights choose theirs. I’m sure you would take offense to someone implying you only choose or prefer to be straight.
     
  13. Jonathan Walkerin

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    Hardly.

    Pyromaniacs can’t legally burn your house down, Kleptomaniacs can’t steal merchandise and homicidal people are not allowed by the law to murder you even if they are so wired.

    Person having a psychological or biological tendency to do something that is against the law doesn’t exempt them from having to follow that law.
     
  14. KCfromNC

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    I mean, nothing against them of course, but I wish they'd keep their religious lifestyle choices to themselves rather than flaunting them in public. It is fine to have their preferences, but I really don't need to be constantly reminded of it.
     
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  15. Oompa Loompa

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    And pedophiles will tell you their perversion towards children isn't a choice and cannot control it. So I believe it is only a matter of time before pedophiles become the new hero of the progressive left like "Kaitlyn Jenner" and start having their own pride month.
     
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  16. FireDragon76

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    And some of them... I assume, are good people.
     
  17. RestoreTheJoy

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    It's fine when Joe Biden says it. But not fine when anyone appointed by Trump says it.
     
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    Right now. You do realize there are groups actively working to change this consent age and push it downward. Sounds unthinkable today. In 10-20 years, will sound "normal" if properly pushed by those with that agenda.

    Child trafficking sounded unthinkable a couple decades ago. Now rings are being busted regularly.
     
  19. Speedwell

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    Because when someone appointed by Trump says it it is more likely to carry the implication that homosexual orientation is 'nothing but a wicked lifestyle choice.'
     
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  20. AvilaSurfer

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    Please, nobody say “slippery slope”, cuz you’ll be ridiculed.
     
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