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Self Pleasure is a sin - the simple explanation.

Discussion in 'Archived - Ethics & Morality' started by Danielof the Island, Jun 7, 2006.

  1. Danielof the Island

    Danielof the Island Member

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    I have seen big, long posts about why self pleasure is a sin going as far as endless Bible qoutes. All of that is good, but I recently came to a very simplified conclussion.
    1. Self pleasure is to have sex with your self.
    2. Premarrital sex is a sin.
    3. Self pleasure is a sin, since it's effectively premarrital sex.
    4. Wait until you're married!
    Thoughts?
     
  2. Adriac

    Adriac Well-Known Member

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    If you can pull that off, I think you've earned it.
     
  3. Jacob4Jesus

    Jacob4Jesus Dork For Jesus and Proud of It

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    :eek:

    But in response to the post, I think that God has reasons for making certain things sins. I don't think it's as simple as saying "This is a sin."

    For example hypothetically:

    God decides that premarital sex is a sin. Why? Perhaps because the likelyhood of pregnancy. God might want the child to have his father and mother in a loving union because that might be best for the child.

    If this were the case (I am not saying it is, just giving an example), then saying masturbation is premarital sex would not really be true.

    In my opinion, if God wanted to make masturbation a sin, he would have probably said it is one. I don't think an eternal entity would have let it slip his mind.
     
  4. TheDag

    TheDag I don't like titles

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    As a christian I am happy for christians to believe masturbation is a sin and therefore for them to abstain from it. i however don't agree with that and don't believe the bible says that. The bible does say though that if you think something is wrong then it is a sin for you to do that. So from a christian perspective it can be wrong for some people but not for all. I'm happy to let people have their opinion as long as they don't start calling me a sinner for it.
     
  5. gengwall

    gengwall Senior Veteran

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    themarriagebed.com has a good piece on masturbation. It includes plenty of reasons why you shouldn't do it but concludes it is not inherently sinful. Just another POV.
     
  6. Belk

    Belk Senior Member

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    One of the issues I have always had with Christianity is the idea that an all powerful god who created this huge universe with such diverse wonders would give a flying fig what I do with the reproductive apparatus that he assigned me. Some people want to make their gods very small and petty for some reason. :(
     
  7. flicka

    flicka Contributor

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    My thoughts are that it's not worth worrying about.

    I think people just like thinking about/talking about sexual things but since you have people telling you it's sinful you can only speak in the negative about it. But speak you will because it's just something you can't get your mind off of! LOL! People are funny.
     
  8. momalle1

    momalle1 Veteran

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    Ditto. Also, why do Christians quote the OT? It's only there to show how we came to grace.
     
  9. LordoftheLeftHand

    LordoftheLeftHand New Member

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    Well for those who believe we were created in god's image...

    LLH
     
  10. Moros

    Moros Well-Known Member

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    circular logic
     
  11. Ryal Kane

    Ryal Kane Senior Veteran

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    I'm an atheist. If masturbation is a sin, well I'm going to hell for my beliefs anyway. So I may as well enjoy the ride.
     
  12. Adriac

    Adriac Well-Known Member

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    And while we're on that train, this means premarital sex is no worse than masturbation, so... ;)
     
  13. TeddyKGB

    TeddyKGB A dude playin' a dude disgused as another dude

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    Sexual reproduction is defined as the fusion of two or gametes. Narrowly defined, sex must be the act that results in (or might potentially result in) sexual reproduction. Loosely defined, sex might be oral, anal or manual, but two or more people are always involved. I would say masturbation is not sex by even the most charitable of definitions.
     
  14. rambot

    rambot Senior Member

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    I'm sorry.
    I don't think i've ever read that anywhere.
    could you put a verse up?

    I HAVE read:
    "Everything is permissible for me"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"—but I will not be mastered by anything.

    So how do you consider the two together?
     
  15. Ryal Kane

    Ryal Kane Senior Veteran

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    It's not premarital sex if you never intend to get married at all.
     
  16. TheDag

    TheDag I don't like titles

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    Romans 14:14 is what I base it on. it says
     
  17. Eudaimonist

    Eudaimonist I believe in life before death!

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    But why is premarital sex a sin? If it has to do with the irresponsibility of having a child outside of wedlock, for instance, then masturbation clearly wouldn't be a problem, and therefore not a sin.

    Okay, here's another argument, though not a very good one:

    1. Self-pleasure is to have sex with a member of your own sex.
    2. Having sex with a member of your own sex is a sin.
    3. Therefore, self-pleasure is a sin.


    eudaimonia,

    Mark
     
  18. DyingAsylum

    DyingAsylum New Member

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    ^_^
    Now there's a thought that'll keep some people up at night. :D
     
  19. Yusuf Evans

    Yusuf Evans Well-Known Member

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    I don't think masturbation in and of itself would be a sin; it's the thoughts running through the mind that are the sin.
     
  20. momalle1

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    What if you are thinking about your spouse, or in David Lee Roth's case, yourself?
     
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