Do you dismiss biblical prophesy fulfilled in Jesus like for example Isaiah 53?
Ok Carl i will applaud you, Isaiah 53 is probably the best thing to pull out from your vantage point. Now let us proceed with educating ourselves on the book of Isaiah. Context is everything like the video above that is obvious bs faith healing, does prayer affect health and stuff like that YES does it magically cure illness NO there is no shred of evidence of dead bodies coming to life.
Isaiah Prologue - Isaiah message was two fold. First he admonished Israel for their sins ( something no other religion does openly btw, see martin luther- rabid antisemite ) but then he preaches a message of hope and reconcilation with some amazing prophecies that are very obvious when you write them out plain as day.
Now any Bible college would teach, to a believer, and i personally agree, that you use the Bible to define itself. An atheist would not like this but a believer should be familiar with this concept. So a Bible college would teach us to search before Isaiah 53 to get the context of who or what is being talked about. So let us build a consensus toward 53 with multiple witnesses so it is plain and clear and not confusing to anyone.
Isaiah 41 8-9 nasb
“But you, Israel,taken from the ends of the earth,
And called from its remotest parts
And said to you, ‘You are My servant,
I have chosen you and not rejected you.
Isaiah 43 10:12
10 “You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord,
My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
11 “I, even I, am the Lord,
And there is no savior besides Me.
12 “It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed,
And there was no strange
god among you;
So you are My witnesses,” declares the Lord,
“And I am God. --- Note not i am jesus
Here we see witnesses plural and servant 500+ years before jesus this whole book is addressed to the Jewish people meaning you would have to have had christians to fit this verse 500 BC yeah that is kind of tough...
Isaiah 44:1 nasb
“But now listen, O Jacob, My servant,
And Israel, whom I have chosen:
2 Thus says the Lord who made you
And formed you from the womb, who will help you,
Isaiah 44:21 nasb
Remember these things, O Jacob,
And Israel, for you are My servant;
I have formed you, you are My servant,
O Israel, you will not be forgotten by Me.
I could keep going but i don't want to seem like i am being a butthole or shoving it down your throat or anything unless you want me to i am happy to share if it helps anyone.
Summary who is the suffering servant of Isaiah 53? Isaiah tells us it is Israel over and over and specifically says israel will be his forever and he will not break his covenant with them. First off Isaiah clearly says this servant does not have a human form that we should desire him so even further definition of the servant there. " He had neither form, nor grandeur, we saw him but not with such a visage as to desire him," Who is despised? The jews, someone just called every jew a murderer on this forum less than 24 hours ago. Who was persecuted and lead away? Think about it this is the time of exile to Babylon he is writing this book to Israel. Israel was lead away like a sheep to slaughter not giving up a fight.
Now look verse 10 God desired to oppress him and he afflicted him if his soul would acknowledge guilt ( you say this is talking about jesus ) he would see offspring and live long days and the desire of God would succeed in his hand. Hello jesus died with no offspring and lived a short life if he lived at all how in the world can you quote this verse this way?
Man i am sorry but you need to repent about this, people will read this and stop going to church because you are telling them jesus is god but the entire book every verse proves the exact opposite to what you are saying you are going to shake someones faith not reading and just citing verses like you actually have educated yourself and understand and comprehend what you claim you have read and believe and then try to convince me of. Sorry man thats like 10-0 for me i think you have had enough buddy pm me if you want more info i would love to study with you man. Love you brother.
