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Second Law of Thermodynamics - a creationist puzzle.

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by rjw, Aug 5, 2008.

  1. gaara4158

    gaara4158 Black Lives Matter.

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    Why?
     
  2. CACTUSJACKmankin

    CACTUSJACKmankin Scientist

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    Lets just throw out physics when it suits our beliefs.. even the most fundimental among them. Without the 2nd law, Eve wouldnt have been able to move her muscles to pluck the apple
     
  3. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Because the 2nd Law, also called heat death, tears down God's creation; and He made it clear in Genesis 1 that His creation was made "very good" --- or "perfect" by our standards.
     
  4. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    In ETERNITY FUTURE, will the 2nd Law be in operation?
     
  5. CACTUSJACKmankin

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    Funny how God made the 2nd law such a fundimental part of his creation.
     
  6. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Not in Genesis 1, He didn't. It came as a result of the Fall.
     
  7. CACTUSJACKmankin

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    Eventually the useful energy in the universe will run out so yes.
     
  8. CACTUSJACKmankin

    CACTUSJACKmankin Scientist

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    Then how did it become so ingrained in the creation? can satan do that? Only the creator can
     
  9. Nathan Poe

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    The problem is that nobody with a working brain is going to equate "very good" as being "perfect," so your answer is meaningless.
     
  10. gaara4158

    gaara4158 Black Lives Matter.

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    It just states that stuff in a closed system tends to reach equilibrium over time. It doesn't tear it down, it just makes everything neutral after a while. God's creation can be very good without containing batteries that last literally forever.
     
  11. CACTUSJACKmankin

    CACTUSJACKmankin Scientist

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    The 2nd law is part of the perfection by God's standards otherwise it wouldnt be here. You think it makes his creation less than perfect, isnt that a bit presumptuous of you?
     
  12. us38

    us38 im in ur mind, disturben ur sanities

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    Heat death is only an inevitability in the far future. Right now, the entropy of the universe is increasing, but it is not increasing everywhere in the universe. There are many places where entropy is actually decreasing. A local decrease in entropy does not violate the second law of thermodynamics.
     
  13. AV1611VET

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    Then why aren't we going to have need of the sun?
     
  14. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Entropy isn't something you "ingrain" --- it's just something you let "wind down".

    If my memory serves me correctly, the formula for the 2nd Law is:

    • ΔS[sub]universe[/sub]>0
    But prior to the Fall, it was simply:

    • ΔS[sub]universe[/sub]=0
     
  15. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Not at all --- the 2nd Law is very hostile to God's creation.
     
  16. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Entropy anywhere in Genesis 1 would ruin God's creation --- Romans 8 makes it clear that because of entropy, God's creation "groans".
     
  17. Split Rock

    Split Rock Conflation of Blathers

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    Good question.

    There are two parts to this.

    1. You need reducing conditions. Because of the oxygen in our atmosphere and oceans due to photosynthesis, these conditions are rare.

    2. Life is already established and will devour any organic molecules before they can develop into proto-life.
     
  18. AV1611VET

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    [double post]
     
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2008
  19. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Then again, why can't it be done in a laboratory --- under controlled conditions? Put the ingredients into a Bell Jar, subject the Bell Jar to the sun, and wait.
     
  20. Patashu

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    We know what it takes to create a star, but we can't create one in a lab. Why? It requires more time and materials than is available to us.
    We know what makes earthquakes, what makes tornados. We can't make these in labs either.
     
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