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Hi, everyone. Just to let you know, I'm replying to the following thread that was posted to this "Spirit-Filled / Charismatic" subforum in order to provide people a backup of the news report referred to in said thread (the link to which has gone dead) and due to the overarching primary existential importance of this subject. I suppose due to the thread's age that directly replying to it is no longer possible.

* Glenda, "Scientific Proof that God Exists", May 14, 2007, Scientific Proof that God Exists .

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According to a video on CBS 11 TV, a physicist from New Orleans says he has definitive scientific proof that God does exist.

Frank Tipler, Ph.D. is a professor of math & physics at Tullane University.

Here is the link to the video..

http://cbs11tv.com/local/local_story_129171109.html

Thank you, Glenda, for posting this news report.

The link to it is now dead, but for those who are interested, below are archives of it:

* Maria Arita, "Does God Exist?", CBS 11 News (KTVT, Dallas/Fort Worth, Tex.), May 9, 2007; with footage from WGCL-TV (CBS 46, Atlanta, Ga.); https://web.archive.org/web/20070513074026/http://cbs11tv.com/religion/local_story_129171109.html , https://archive.is/f7ieJ , https://megalodon.jp/2019-0604-0535...s11tv.com/religion/local_story_129171109.html , http://www.freezepage.com/1559594046TWDRLRVCTX , https://webcitation.org/78rWiOkSq .

And here is the video of the foregoing news report:

* 22124020070509_000336p4000727p1.flv , 7865440 bytes, MD5: 082b0ea10b26cfdfcdfc7b06e7b85fe9, https://web.archive.org/web/2019060...ost56.com/22124020070509_000336p4000727p1.flv , https://megalodon.jp/2019-0604-0600-01/theophysics.host56.com/22124020070509_000336p4000727p1.flv , http://www.freezepage.com/1559595571YCYDQSQNSJ . Original URL: http://cbstv.vo.llnwd.net/e1/n3d/0018/flash/22124020070509_000336p4000727p1.flv .

For more information on the above:

God's existence is a mathematical theorem within standard physics. Standard physics is the known laws of physics, viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics. This theorem has been given in the form of physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology. These aforestated known physical laws have been confirmed by every experiment conducted to date. Hence, the only way to avoid Tipler's Omega Point Theorem is to reject empirical science. As Prof. Stephen Hawking wrote, "one cannot really argue with a mathematical theorem." (From p. 67 of Stephen Hawking, The Illustrated A Brief History of Time [New York, NY: Bantam Books, 1996; 1st ed., 1988].)

Prof. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology has been extensively peer-reviewed and published in a number of the world's leading physics and science journals, such as Reports on Progress in Physics (the leading journal of the Institute of Physics, Britain's main professional organization for physicists), Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society (one of the world's leading astrophysics journals), the International Journal of Theoretical Physics (a journal that Nobel Prize in Physics winner Richard Feynman also published in), and Physics Letters, among other journals.

Prof. Tipler's Ph.D. is in the field of Global General Relativity, which is the field created by Profs. Stephen Hawking and Roger Penrose during the formulation of their Singularity Theorems in the 1960s. Global General Relativity is General Relativity applied on the scale of the entire universe as a whole, and is the most elite and rarefied field of physics. Tipler is also an expert in quantum field theory (i.e., Quantum Mechanics combined with special-relativistic particle physics) and computer theory.

For much more on Prof. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology and the details on how it uniquely conforms to, and precisely matches, the cosmology described in the New Testament, see my following article, which also addresses the societal implications of the Omega Point cosmology:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhy...TheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god , https://webcitation.org/74HMsJGbP .

Additionally, in the below resource are different sections which contain some helpful notes and commentary by me pertaining to multimedia wherein Prof. Tipler explains the Omega Point cosmology and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model TOE.

* James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", Apr. 18, 2019, https://pastebin.com/6bZDc7rB , https://archive.is/uHEyL , https://megalodon.jp/2019-0423-0435-52/pastebin.com/6bZDc7rB .
 
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Good video. Romans tells us that the created order does indeed reveal God . . . but only in so much as that God exists . . . not the particulars of God as person.

Paul indeed appealed to reason when he wrote in Romans 1:19,20 that an understanding of the natural world leads to knowledge of God (NKJV):

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because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, ...
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However, physics can also inform us of many of "the particulars of God as person", as you put it. Since the future technologically immortal and superintelligent beings will have computational resources diverging to infinity (in terms of both processor speed and memory storage), they will have ever-greater computational power coming online in which to render realities that they find to be more pleasurable--i.e., closer to perfection--with this ecstasy diverging to infinity, becoming literally infinite at the Omega Point final singularity. Hence, the Omega Point (the physicists' technical term for God the Father) itself is a state of infinite pleasure and perfection. The Omega Point is a state of infinite love and liberty: of perfected, infinite knowledge, perceived all at once for eternity. It is a state of perfect, infinite bliss.

For how the known laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics) in the form of physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point Theorem uniquely conform to, and precisely match, Christian theology:

The Omega Point is omniscient, having an infinite amount of information and knowing all that is logically possible to be known; it is omnipotent, having an infinite amount of energy and power; and it is omnipresent, consisting of all that exists. These three properties are the traditional quidditative definitions (i.e., haecceities) of God held by almost all of the world's leading religions. Hence, by definition, the Omega Point is God.

The Omega Point final singularity is a different aspect of the Big Bang initial singularity, i.e., the first cause, a definition of God held by all the Abrahamic religions.

As well, as Stephen Hawking proved, the singularity is not in spacetime, but rather is the boundary of space and time (see S. W. Hawking and G. F. R. Ellis, The Large Scale Structure of Space-Time [Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1973], pp. 217-221).

The Schmidt b-boundary has been shown to yield a topology in which the cosmological singularity is not Hausdorff separated from the points in spacetime, meaning that it is not possible to put an open set of points between the cosmological singularity and *any* point in spacetime proper. That is, the cosmological singularity has infinite nearness to every point in spacetime.

So the Omega Point is transcendent to, yet immanent in, space and time. Because the cosmological singularity exists outside of space and time, it is eternal, as time has no application to it.

Quite literally, the cosmological singularity is supernatural, in the sense that no form of physics can apply to it, since physical values are at infinity at the singularity, and so it is not possible to perform arithmetical operations on them; and in the sense that the singularity is beyond creation, as it is not a part of spacetime, but rather is the boundary of space and time.

And given an infinite amount of computational resources, per the Bekenstein Bound, recreating the exact quantum state of our present universe is trivial, requiring at most a mere 10^123 bits (the number which Roger Penrose calculated), or at most a mere 2^10^123 bits for every different quantum configuration of the universe logically possible (i.e., the powerset, of which the multiverse in its entirety at this point in universal history is a subset of this powerset). So the Omega Point will be able to resurrect us using merely an infinitesimally small amount of total computational resources: indeed, the multiversal resurrection will occur between 10^-10^10 and 10^-10^123 seconds before the Omega Point is reached, as the computational capacity of the universe at that stage will be great enough that doing so will require only a trivial amount of total computational resources.

Miracles are allowed by the known laws of physics using baryon annihilation, and its inverse, by way of electroweak quantum tunneling (which is allowed in the Standard Model of particle physics, as baryon number minus lepton number, B - L, is conserved) caused via the Principle of Least Action by the physical requirement that the Omega Point final cosmological singularity exists. If the miracles of Jesus Christ were necessary in order for the universe to evolve into the Omega Point, and if the known laws of physics are correct, then the probability of those miracles occurring is certain.

Additionally, the cosmological singularity consists of a three-aspect structure: the final singularity (i.e., the Omega Point), the all-presents singularity (which exists at the boundary of the multiverse), and the initial singularity (i.e., the beginning of the Big Bang). These three distinct aspects which perform different physical functions in bringing about and sustaining existence are actually one singularity which connects the entirety of the multiverse.

Christian theology is therefore preferentially selected by the known laws of physics due to the fundamentally triune structure of the cosmological singularity (which, again, has all the haecceities claimed for God in the major religions), which is deselective of all other major religions.

For much more on the above, and for many more details on how the Omega Point cosmology uniquely and precisely matches the cosmology described in the New Testament, see my following two articles:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhy...TheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god , WebCite query result .

* James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", Apr. 18, 2019, Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate - Pastebin.com , Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate - Pastebin.… , 【魚拓】Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate - Pastebin.com .
 
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Hi, everyone. Just to let you know, I'm replying to the following thread that was posted to this "Spirit-Filled / Charismatic" subforum in order to provide people a backup of the news report referred to in said thread (the link to which has gone dead) and due to the overarching primary existential importance of this subject. I suppose due to the thread's age that directly replying to it is no longer possible.

* Glenda, "Scientific Proof that God Exists", May 14, 2007, Scientific Proof that God Exists .

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Thank you, Glenda, for posting this news report.

The link to it is now dead, but for those who are interested, below are archives of it:

* Maria Arita, "Does God Exist?", CBS 11 News (KTVT, Dallas/Fort Worth, Tex.), May 9, 2007; with footage from WGCL-TV (CBS 46, Atlanta, Ga.); cbs11tv.com - Does God Exist? , cbs11tv.com - Does God Exist? , 【魚拓】cbs11tv.com - Does God Exist? , FreezePage , https://webcitation.org/78rWiOkSq .

And here is the video of the foregoing news report:

* 22124020070509_000336p4000727p1.flv , 7865440 bytes, MD5: 082b0ea10b26cfdfcdfc7b06e7b85fe9, https://web.archive.org/web/2019060...ost56.com/22124020070509_000336p4000727p1.flv , 【魚拓】http://theophysics.host56.com/22124020070509_000336p4000727p1.flv , FreezePage . Original URL: http://cbstv.vo.llnwd.net/e1/n3d/0018/flash/22124020070509_000336p4000727p1.flv .

For more information on the above:

God's existence is a mathematical theorem within standard physics. Standard physics is the known laws of physics, viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics. This theorem has been given in the form of physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology. These aforestated known physical laws have been confirmed by every experiment conducted to date. Hence, the only way to avoid Tipler's Omega Point Theorem is to reject empirical science. As Prof. Stephen Hawking wrote, "one cannot really argue with a mathematical theorem." (From p. 67 of Stephen Hawking, The Illustrated A Brief History of Time [New York, NY: Bantam Books, 1996; 1st ed., 1988].)

Prof. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology has been extensively peer-reviewed and published in a number of the world's leading physics and science journals, such as Reports on Progress in Physics (the leading journal of the Institute of Physics, Britain's main professional organization for physicists), Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society (one of the world's leading astrophysics journals), the International Journal of Theoretical Physics (a journal that Nobel Prize in Physics winner Richard Feynman also published in), and Physics Letters, among other journals.

Prof. Tipler's Ph.D. is in the field of Global General Relativity, which is the field created by Profs. Stephen Hawking and Roger Penrose during the formulation of their Singularity Theorems in the 1960s. Global General Relativity is General Relativity applied on the scale of the entire universe as a whole, and is the most elite and rarefied field of physics. Tipler is also an expert in quantum field theory (i.e., Quantum Mechanics combined with special-relativistic particle physics) and computer theory.

For much more on Prof. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology and the details on how it uniquely conforms to, and precisely matches, the cosmology described in the New Testament, see my following article, which also addresses the societal implications of the Omega Point cosmology:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhy...TheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god , https://webcitation.org/74HMsJGbP .

Additionally, in the below resource are different sections which contain some helpful notes and commentary by me pertaining to multimedia wherein Prof. Tipler explains the Omega Point cosmology and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model TOE.

* James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", Apr. 18, 2019, Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate - Pastebin.com , Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate - Pastebin.… , https://megalodon.jp/2019-0423-0435-52/pastebin.com/6bZDc7rB .


I actually tend to follow this sort of thing a lot so I will check it out! In general I am more familiar with this topic from watching Hugh Ross videos and reading some of his books.



I think the case for Christianity is quite good if you are willing to accept an old Earth (That there are more lexical was of interpreting the term yom/day in Genesis than just as a 24 hour day). Many Apologists however seem to have taken a young earth (6 thousand years or so) as a kind of matter of faith and they sort of have painted themselves in a corner.
 
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I actually tend to follow this sort of thing a lot so I will check it out! In general I am more familiar with this topic from watching Hugh Ross videos and reading some of his books.



I think the case for Christianity is quite good if you are willing to accept an old Earth (That there are more lexical was of interpreting the term yom/day in Genesis than just as a 24 hour day). Many Apologists however seem to have taken a young earth (6 thousand years or so) as a kind of matter of faith and they sort of have painted themselves in a corner.

For Christians this isn't problematical since we don't follow the Old Testament, we follow Jesus Christ. Even the modern Jews have been considerably Christianized and don't much follow the Old Testament, as indeed it would be quite illegal for them to do so. For more on this, see Sec. 7.4.2: "God’s Relation to the Old Testament", pp. 46-47 of my following article:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhy...TheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god , https://webcitation.org/74HMsJGbP .
 
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