Science or God? Who's responsible?

[EpiscipalMe]

He gave doctors knowledge. I promise you a doctor didn't just show up at my front door one day - decide to treat me free of charge. I'm not wanting a doctor to patch my issues,I'm wanting god to heal my issues so I don't need a doctor to begin with.

While that would be nice, God doesn't necessarily answer our prayers the way we want Him to.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

While that would be nice, God doesn't necessarily answer our prayers the way we want Him to.

He seems careful to make His answers to prayers indistinguishable from no answers at all...

 

[Phil 1:21]

He gave doctors knowledge. I promise you a doctor didn't just show up at my front door one day - decide to treat me free of charge. I'm not wanting a doctor to patch my issues,I'm wanting god to heal my issues so I don't need a doctor to begin with.

We don't get to dictate things to God. We are to serve Him, not the other way around.

 

[juvenissun]

You are free to believe that.

Rootless weed.

 

[quatona]

Rootless weed.

Don´t be so hard on yourself.

 

[juvenissun]

Don´t be so hard on yourself.

Why don't you support president Trump?

 

[xianghua]

Think of the movie "the exorcism of Emily rose" for a minute. Watching that makes me think of my own situation in a way. I'm a firm believer in God. I don't really associate myself with any "main stream" religion bc I believe our own walk with. God is personal. So I've asked my god to heal my mind & heal me from severe depression,anxiety,& PTSD. I've been through alot in a short amount of time. anyway,none of the meds I've been given work so far. I've tried every non narcotic there is. My doctor explains gently I have chemical imbalances in my brain. Ok then. However,as a believer,I also know that the enemy,Satan Lucifer. Or whomever,can attack you at your weakness especially if your trying to live by the book. So my question is. ..why won't god hear my prayer & heal me from all this? Can't he control the imbalances in my head? Or do I need stronger meds? Is science or God I'm needing to rely on more? When does it stop being a medical problem & start becoming a spiritual one? No preacher or doctor can give me a straight answer. I wish I knew

i think that we can prove by science that god exist. so its a scientific argument.

 

[Speedwell]

i think that we can prove by science that god exist. so its a scientific argument.

You wish we could prove by science that God exists. But the existence of God is a scientifically unfalsifiable proposition which can only be known by faith.

 

[xianghua]

You wish we could prove by science that God exists. But the existence of God is a scientifically unfalsifiable proposition which can only be known by faith.

i think that this thread can prove otherwise:

best argument against evolution? (the self replicating robot)

 

[Speedwell]

i think that this thread can prove otherwise:

best argument against evolution? (the self replicating robot)

Posting links to threads in which your illogical arguments have been thoroughly trashed will not prove anything.

 

[TBDude65]

Science and medicine can show evidence and trials to support their claims. So utilizing medicine and methods that have been shown to help people with mental health issues, is a positive thing.

Also, please listen to your doctor

 

[JoeP222w]

Think of the movie "the exorcism of Emily rose" for a minute. Watching that makes me think of my own situation in a way. I'm a firm believer in God. I don't really associate myself with any "main stream" religion bc I believe our own walk with. God is personal. So I've asked my god to heal my mind & heal me from severe depression,anxiety,& PTSD. I've been through alot in a short amount of time. anyway,none of the meds I've been given work so far. I've tried every non narcotic there is. My doctor explains gently I have chemical imbalances in my brain. Ok then. However,as a believer,I also know that the enemy,Satan Lucifer. Or whomever,can attack you at your weakness especially if your trying to live by the book. So my question is. ..why won't god hear my prayer & heal me from all this? Can't he control the imbalances in my head? Or do I need stronger meds? Is science or God I'm needing to rely on more? When does it stop being a medical problem & start becoming a spiritual one? No preacher or doctor can give me a straight answer. I wish I knew

Science and God is a false dichotomy. Science is not mutually exclusive to God.

If you are relying on science more than God, that would be idolatry. That is not to say that science in and of itself is evil or there is no place for science. But when a person puts science higher than God, or relies on science and not God, that is idolatry.

 

[ananda]

Think of the movie "the exorcism of Emily rose" for a minute. Watching that makes me think of my own situation in a way. I'm a firm believer in God. I don't really associate myself with any "main stream" religion bc I believe our own walk with. God is personal. So I've asked my god to heal my mind & heal me from severe depression,anxiety,& PTSD. I've been through alot in a short amount of time. anyway,none of the meds I've been given work so far. I've tried every non narcotic there is. My doctor explains gently I have chemical imbalances in my brain. Ok then. However,as a believer,I also know that the enemy,Satan Lucifer. Or whomever,can attack you at your weakness especially if your trying to live by the book. So my question is. ..why won't god hear my prayer & heal me from all this? Can't he control the imbalances in my head? Or do I need stronger meds? Is science or God I'm needing to rely on more? When does it stop being a medical problem & start becoming a spiritual one? No preacher or doctor can give me a straight answer. I wish I knew

The mind is the product of the brain, and a disordered brain will give rise to a disordered mind. There are various reasons the brain can be disordered - its pathways could have been consciously programmed to be so by the consciousness, or if the fundamental materials which makes up the brain are faulty or deficient in some way.

 

[Michael]

Think of the movie "the exorcism of Emily rose" for a minute. Watching that makes me think of my own situation in a way. I'm a firm believer in God. I don't really associate myself with any "main stream" religion bc I believe our own walk with. God is personal. So I've asked my god to heal my mind & heal me from severe depression,anxiety,& PTSD. I've been through alot in a short amount of time. anyway,none of the meds I've been given work so far. I've tried every non narcotic there is. My doctor explains gently I have chemical imbalances in my brain. Ok then. However,as a believer,I also know that the enemy,Satan Lucifer. Or whomever,can attack you at your weakness especially if your trying to live by the book. So my question is. ..why won't god hear my prayer & heal me from all this? Can't he control the imbalances in my head? Or do I need stronger meds? Is science or God I'm needing to rely on more? When does it stop being a medical problem & start becoming a spiritual one? No preacher or doctor can give me a straight answer. I wish I knew

I think you're framing the question incorrectly. It's not an either/or proposition between God and science. Virtually every Christian alive would take antibiotics to help become healed from a life threatening infection.

As others have already noted, I would also strongly encourage you to seek professional scientific help rather than trying to resolve everything by yourself. Chemical imbalances can be cured or at least controlled and well moderated with the *right* medicine for you. Different individuals can have very unique reactions to various drugs. If your doctor has already suggested to you that this could be an issue in your case, I'd follow his advice and seek some help. Sometimes finding the right drug for your condition can be a bit of a trial and error process simply because different individuals react differently to the same drug.

Reaching out to others "spiritually" is a good start, but most of us on this forum are not experts. Some expert help might be useful to you at this point in your life.

I would also point out that Jesus asked his father in the garden of Gethsemane if the burden before him might be lifted if that was his father's will, but Jesus was crucified the next day. I'm sure that God heard his prayers, but God had an important plan for Jesus. We don't always know why things happen to us as they do, but I firmly believe that God has a very important plan for each of us, even if we don't understand it at the time. IMO if you're going to focus 'spiritually' on anyone outside of yourself, let it be Christ and nothing but Christ. Fear only breeds fear, and Christ was all about love, not fear.

I'd really encourage you to stay positive, and seek some real scientific help on more than just a few cyber forums. Your doctor has some insights about you medically that are worth listening to, and acting on in terms of "science" and scientific help IMO.

You can seek help both spiritually and biologically at the same time. It's not an either/or proposition.

God bless.

 

[ViaCrucis]

He gave doctors knowledge. I promise you a doctor didn't just show up at my front door one day - decide to treat me free of charge. I'm not wanting a doctor to patch my issues,I'm wanting god to heal my issues so I don't need a doctor to begin with.

"Give doctors the honor they deserve, for the Lord gave them their work to do. Their skill came from the Most High, and kings reward them for it. Their knowledge gives them a position of importance, and powerful people hold them in high regard.

The Lord created medicines from the earth, and a sensible person will not hesitate to use them." - Sirach 38:1-4

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Servantleader]

Think of the movie "the exorcism of Emily rose" for a minute. Watching that makes me think of my own situation in a way. I'm a firm believer in God. I don't really associate myself with any "main stream" religion bc I believe our own walk with. God is personal. So I've asked my god to heal my mind & heal me from severe depression,anxiety,& PTSD. I've been through alot in a short amount of time. anyway,none of the meds I've been given work so far. I've tried every non narcotic there is. My doctor explains gently I have chemical imbalances in my brain. Ok then. However,as a believer,I also know that the enemy,Satan Lucifer. Or whomever,can attack you at your weakness especially if your trying to live by the book. So my question is. ..why won't god hear my prayer & heal me from all this? Can't he control the imbalances in my head? Or do I need stronger meds? Is science or God I'm needing to rely on more? When does it stop being a medical problem & start becoming a spiritual one? No preacher or doctor can give me a straight answer. I wish I knew

Thank you for your transparency. As one who has witnessed the healing of minds and bodies under the power of the name of Jesus and not dependence on meds, I can testify to the power of God to be sovereign over the illnesses in our minds. I encourage you to press into your faith of God's mighty power to save and restore. I pray that the Holy Spirit begins to reveal to you the next steps to fight the enemy over your mind. In your time of healing, I hope that you are reminded that God has innumerable ways to heal you. I pray that your heart and eyes are open as you take your next steps. He is the greatest Healer of all. Be encouraged in Jesus name.

 

[CrystalDragon]

A child wants candy but dad refused to give it to him.
The child knows clearly that his dad does not give him candy.
But could the child understand WHY? Obviously he can not.
However, should the child trust (obey) his dad?
If the child said, OK, you don't give me candy, I will go to someone else who would. Is he still a good son to his father?

You belief in God. But do you trust God as a child trusts his dad?

Problem with that analogy is that if a child says they need to talk to their dad, the dad will sit down and listen to them and they'll have a nice conversation if the man is a good father. Saying the same thing to God through prayer and it's like you're just talking to yourself or the ceiling, never an explicit two-way conversation, and at best it's like a dad saying he always will have his phone on to call him and he'll answer, but it always goes to voice mail and never calls back.

And I say that as a Catholic.

 

[HitchSlap]

So my question is. ..why won't god hear my prayer & heal me from all this?

Some options might be:

God exists, but doesn't like you.
God exists, and enjoys watching you suffer.
God exists, but doesn't know who you are.
God exists, but acts like he doesn't.
God exists, but is unable to do anything about your health.
God doesn't exist.

 

[Chriliman]

Think of the movie "the exorcism of Emily rose" for a minute. Watching that makes me think of my own situation in a way. I'm a firm believer in God. I don't really associate myself with any "main stream" religion bc I believe our own walk with. God is personal. So I've asked my god to heal my mind & heal me from severe depression,anxiety,& PTSD. I've been through alot in a short amount of time. anyway,none of the meds I've been given work so far. I've tried every non narcotic there is. My doctor explains gently I have chemical imbalances in my brain. Ok then. However,as a believer,I also know that the enemy,Satan Lucifer. Or whomever,can attack you at your weakness especially if your trying to live by the book. So my question is. ..why won't god hear my prayer & heal me from all this? Can't he control the imbalances in my head? Or do I need stronger meds? Is science or God I'm needing to rely on more? When does it stop being a medical problem & start becoming a spiritual one? No preacher or doctor can give me a straight answer. I wish I knew

If you've tried doctors and medicine to no avail, you may concider visiting a local church and explaining the situation and asking for prayer and laying on of hands, can't hurt, but it takes bold faith sometimes. Continue being faithful in all you do and God will restore you and others through you, just like Jesus.

You are his daughter and he has good plans for you even though you can't see it now

 

[juvenissun]

Problem with that analogy is that if a child says they need to talk to their dad, the dad will sit down and listen to them and they'll have a nice conversation if the man is a good father. Saying the same thing to God through prayer and it's like you're just talking to yourself or the ceiling, never an explicit two-way conversation, and at best it's like a dad saying he always will have his phone on to call him and he'll answer, but it always goes to voice mail and never calls back.

And I say that as a Catholic.

You shift the goal post. You are now talking about how to communicate with God.

Obviously it is a part of trust or faith building. But to God, we usually need to have faith first (that is the goal in this thread), then learn how to communicate. This is in reverse to the human-human situation.