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Science Deniers Try to Take Over a Sarasota Public Hospital

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Fantine, Aug 1, 2022.

  1. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    It is primarily a gay man disease that has hit gay men the hardest. Promiscuity is a large part of the gay men life. That's why it's spreading the hardest among them.
     
  2. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    Dont you know that viruses have little gaydar on them so they can find and strike gay men.

    Or perhaps the writer was just trying to express that gay men are being hit hardest by this disease. I think you are trying too hard.

    Gay men are getting hit the hardest because of their behaviors.
     
  3. Larnievc

    Larnievc Well-Known Member

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    Yes. So it is promiscuity that is the issue. Not being gay.

    If you are gay and not promiscuous you’ll be fine.

    It’s clear that God is annoyed with the promiscuous, not the gays.
     
  4. cow451

    cow451 Standing with Ukraine. Supporter

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    Having worked with and for hospitals, that is not reality, even in ecumenical hospitals. They are businesses. Period. They are run just like other businesses in many ways. Healthcare is unique, but bills still have to be paid and consumers that can't pay, don't play.

    And these clowns in Sarasota are a dime a dozen and will run the place into the ground.
     
  5. Larnievc

    Larnievc Well-Known Member

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    Apart from all the bits about running a hospital, obviously.
     
  6. cow451

    cow451 Standing with Ukraine. Supporter

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    Another fast moving goalpost, LOL.
     
  7. Fantine

    Fantine Dona Quixote Supporter

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    Presidents Clinton, Obama, Trump, and Biden were never in the military. I'm not sure if any were boy scouts.
    What matters is that they choose capable people with good values to lead the military and defense departments, that they listen carefully to their daily briefings, and follow wise counsel.
    President Biden chose a decorated military retiree as Secretary of Defense and a man who had been an undersecretary of state as secretary of state. He listens to their briefings and had experience many years as chair if the Senate foreign relations committee.
    Trump's first Secretary of State was a retired Oil company CEO. He had a number of defense secretaries. He did have retired military in his staff who left in disgrace (Flynn) or disgust (Mattis.) Many of his former staff wrote tell all books afterwards that made sane people shudder. He fired everyone who disagreed with his unschooled opinions.
    The hospital board wannabees have said they want to clean house--and install people with their genuinely medically dangerous ideas.
     
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  8. probinson

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    What specifically about my statement is "nonsense"?
     
  9. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    Only when he claims to "know better than the generals". Presidents have entire Cabinets and Joint Chiefs to know all the things he doesn't know and advise him.
     
  10. Estrid

    Estrid Well-Known Member

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    Everything after the first three words.
     
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  11. Estrid

    Estrid Well-Known Member

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    The red shift! It burns!
     
  12. probinson

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    Here's what I said after the first three words;

    Unless you view the COVID vaccines as a unilateral, required, magical elixir that is the first medical intervention in history without a single downside, then you are a "science denier". At least around here.
    So let's unpack that, and you tell me specifically what you think is nonsense;
    • "Unilateral": Do you agree that vaccines should not be given unilaterally but rather should be given based on an individual risk/benefit analysis?
    • "Required": Do you agree that vaccines should not be mandated, and that it should be up to each individual to decide whether they should get vaccinated or not?
    • "Magical": Obviously this is hyperbole.
    • "Without a single downside": Do you agree that there are potential serious adverse events and that those should be figured into each individual's risk/benefit analysis when determining whether a person should be vaccinated or not?
     
  13. Estrid

    Estrid Well-Known Member

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    Unilateral? Someone forced you? What does
    unilateral even mean? Nonsense.
    Required- children can't attend school if
    they have not had their shots. So?
    You are not required to take shots, or
    to eat or get a driver's license. Do as you
    like, accept the consequences.
    Magical, and elixir.
    Even you recognize those as nonsense.
    Without a single downside. Obvious nonsense
    that has never been claimed.
    Risk / benefit ertainly has been applied to priority
    for shots, and, in whether children get shots.

    There was nothing in your post any more worth saying
    than completely random nonsense.
     
  14. probinson

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    Perhaps calling something "nonsense" when you don't even understand the meaning of a word is not the wisest call.

    Unilateral means that it is the same for everyone. EVERYONE should be vaccinated, regardless of their age, prior infection status, benefits conferred, etc.

    So you're cool with the medical discrimination that's going to result in Washington D.C. when as many as 40% of black students will be denied an in-person education because they won't get a vaccine that has questionable benefit to them? Alrighty then.

    Me? I'm old school. Before I go mandating something that will negatively affect an entire race if they don't comply, I like to make sure there is an iron-clad evidence base that it will actually benefit them.

    In this case, the consequence is a subpar education for minorities. And you're (apparently) OK with that.

    No, I recognized that as "hyperbole". Words have meaning, believe it or not.

    Now THAT is nonsense. These vaccines have been fast-tracked under EUA with hardly any real data. The risk/benefit of vaccination, particularly in children that have already had COVID, is being completely ignored by US public health officials.

    Do you know how many children the claim of vaccine efficacy in children under five is based on?
     
  15. Estrid

    Estrid Well-Known Member

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    Whatevs
     
  16. probinson

    probinson Legend

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    I'll assume that means you don't know how many children the claim of vaccine efficacy for children under five is based on. You'd think since you're calling my posts "nonsense" you'd know the data you're defending. Eh, who am I kidding. The pandemic has taught us that propaganda is far more important than data and evidence to most people.
     
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  17. expos4ever

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    No one is forced to be vaccinated - people can always choose to not get vaccinated.

    You appear to think you can make an absurd claim - that anyone who does not think the vaccine is "magical" is a science denier - and then walk that back by simply claiming "hyperbole". You are clearly trying to evade taking responsiblity for a false assertion.

    Moving the goalposts - no one is denying that there can be serious adverse side effects. Your initial claim - which you appear to be dancing away from now - is that people who acknowledge there are potential side-effects are accused of being science-deniers.

    This is, of course, false.
     
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  18. Estrid

    Estrid Well-Known Member

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    As in why I said "nonsense" in the first place.
     
  19. disciple Clint

    disciple Clint Well-Known Member

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    not at all the point for those I have to explain it to is that you do not need expertise in a specific to manage it or be the CEO, thus we have presidents in charge of a military who have no knowledge about the military.
     
  20. disciple Clint

    disciple Clint Well-Known Member

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    Well other than straying off into off topic gratuitous comments about Trump your post confirms that people can be in charge without having specific knowledge in an area this is in contrast to your earlier post.
     
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