Science claims universe came from nothing at all!

[Audacious]

My question is: if something can't come from nothing and thus requires creation from a being like God, why doesn't God require creation from a higher being than he? Like Super-God.

 

[Non sequitur]

My question is: if something can't come from nothing and thus requires creation from a being like God, why doesn't God require creation from a higher being than he? Like Super-God.

Because special pleading and/or Bible verses.

 

[Kylie]

We will never learn about goings on in the non-material realm, the spiritual realm, if we, by definition, assume it doesn't exist. I sense it does exist and I want to know about it. And I sense evil exists as a spirit which drives people to act, well..., evil.

Ah, but if what you say is true, then the spiritual realm must be detectable in some way, yes? I mean, something more than just feelings we create ourselves and then attribute to such a realm.

So, if there really is a spiritual realm that people can feel, then that gives us a method of investigation, and thus it will generate evidence that it exists.

 

[Kylie]

If I said all those things to you I must have been under the misguided impression that I was speaking to a theist of the Christian or other kinds because I would never respond in that way to an atheist.

My little card thingy on the side of each of my posts clearly states I am an atheist.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I just saw a spider crawling through that cubic yard.

That was fast...maybe we just got lucky?

At least my question of do I have enough nothing for something to appear has been answered.

 

[Kenny'sID]

 

[Tayla]

Ah, but if what you say is true, then the spiritual realm must be detectable in some way, yes?

Yes, of course.

 

[Radrook]

My little card thingy on the side of each of my posts clearly states I am an atheist.

Well, then I should be more careful if I did say those things. My apologies.

 

[Hieronymus]

Not me; I old earth, pro-science.

Pro naturalistic models that is...

 

[Hieronymus]

Yet the earth is round. The bible contains many false teachings.

Too eager.
The flat earth model as described in the Bible is from God's viewpoint, not man's.
Nobody know how God perceives things or how much of this model is symbolic.

 

[Hieronymus]

My question is: if something can't come from nothing and thus requires creation from a being like God, why doesn't God require creation from a higher being than he? Like Super-God.

The first cause can not be caused by definition and logic.
God is the "super God", who created everything, or so He (YHWH Elohim) claims.

 

[Hieronymus]

Because special pleading and/or Bible verses.

Yes, Bible verses, which are revelations put in writing.
No special pleading, for the original cause can not be caused (or it would not be the original cause).

 

[Audacious]

The first cause can not be caused by definition and logic.
God is the "super God", who created everything, or so He (YHWH Elohim) claims.

But what about Super Super God? Since something can (apparently) not create itself.

 

[Hieronymus]

But what about Super Super God? Since something can (apparently) not create itself.

Something can not create itself, otherwise it had to have existed prior to its existence.
But God has always existed, always has, always will.
God is not caused or created.
YHWH Elohim claims to be God who always exists.
Anything other than Him is his creation.

But this is thinking in a time perspective.
Maybe it's more accurate to say that God is (also) the premise for things other than Himself existing.

 

[Audacious]

Something can not create itself, otherwise it had to have existed prior to its existence.
But God has always existed, always has, always will.
God is not caused or created.
YHWH Elohim claims to be God who always exists.
Anything other than Him is his creation.

But God is something. And exists without needing to be created.

So why can't the universe have created itself, or just appeared or whatever, just like God apparently did?

 

[Hieronymus]

But God is something. And exists without needing to be created.

God may be 'something' but He didn't BEGIN to exist, God always exists, always has, always will.

 

[Non sequitur]

God may be 'something' but He didn't BEGIN to exist, God always exists, always has, always will.

So, you are saying nothing begins to exists without a cause...except your god.

Is this not special pleading?

 

[Audacious]

God may be 'something' but He didn't BEGIN to exist, God always exists, always has, always will.

Who says the universe started existing and isn't eternal?

It could just be a cycle: kernel, big bang, reach end of bang, snap back into kernel, and onward and onward. We just can't really tell about if there was anything before the acknowledged universe, yet.

 

[Hieronymus]

So, you are saying nothing begins to exists without a cause...except your god.

Is this not special pleading?

Please make some effort to read what i wrote, because it's not difficult to understand.
All i can do now is 'spoon feed' you the simple logic, which is probably not necessary and not something i enjoy doing.

 

[Hieronymus]

Who says the universe started existing and isn't eternal?

The law of entropy does, basically.

It could just be a cycle: kernel, big bang, reach end of bang, snap back into kernel, and onward and onward. We just can't really tell about if there was anything before the acknowledged universe, yet.

You're just moving the question i.m.o.
Why does it exist, what causes things?
And really, if you expect dead unconscious forces to be explanatory for what we see in reality, you must have a need for believing in naturalistic ideas.