What's the point of these million and a half go-arounds on what we all already know are irreconcilable viewpoints, vis-a-vis abortion and the like? Obviously someone who does not view abortion as murder to begin with is not going to be joining together on those grounds with anyone who does. You're not working from a common definition of reality. Why not accept it and move on to something else, or shift your posting to be more about comparison rather than building alliances on matters that you're not actually in agreement on in the first place? There are probably a fair number of individual issues that the atheist posters here and at least some of the Christians might be more able to come together on, but it doesn't seem like the issue at hand in this thread, or in the subsequent diversion onto the subject of abortion, is one of them.