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Scary panic attack

Discussion in 'Requests for Christian Advice' started by Blaise N, Nov 24, 2021.

  1. TheWhat?

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    I'm not of the opinion of a lot of others on this. What do the gospels say? Jesus had a parable about lost sheep, and He demonstrated His will and attitude toward them. As for myself, I sometimes feel closer to God outside of certain congregations, but not always, and they are clearly not all the same. I personally think a person is not really an apostate unless they've turned against the sheep.
     
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  2. Neostarwcc

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    I've been getting panic attacks since I was at least 11 or 12. Might remember some from when I was 8 or 9 but not sure. I'm 35 now so I know where you're coming from. Panic attacks are horrible especially severe ones I've had many that felt like a heart attack and I've been in the ER for them. The important thing to remember is Panic Attacks are not real. They're your body's natural response to an emergency situation. Everyone gets a Panic attack or two in their lifetime. Have you tried meditation? That worked a lot when I was in my 20s when I learned just what Panic attacks are. It doesn't help me anymore but it might help you. The key is to convince your body into thinking there's nothing wrong because in the majority scenario Panic attacks are nothing to fear. That's unfortunately all I can help with. I've been under every anti-anxiety medication under the sun. I still get a lot of Panic attacks. Just remember, most of the time they're nothing to fear and try some meditation. It helps calm the body. There are videos one youtube designed to calm people down in a high anxiety situation. Yes, even religious ones. Something to think about.
     
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  3. Mayflower1

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    Father, please give Blaise the right words and boldness to rebuke these thoughts that are not from You. Calm His anxiety and give him complete healing and comfort. Thank You that all things are possible with You for those who believe. In Jesus Name, Amen.
     
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    Having known two apostates extremely well, I can guarantee you that you wouldn't be the least bit scared over it. That goes for the unpardonable sin too. You'd probably feel smug, self-assured, self- justified and proud etc, but you definitely wouldn't feel scared or worried over it.

    And also think of it this way; are you worried about being attacked by goblins? If not, then that's most likely because you don't believe in goblins. It's unlikely your OCD would give intrusive thoughts over something that wasn't important to you.
     
  6. aiki

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    Blaise, you're making your relationship with God all about you. Your fear is about protecting yourself, not about loving God. And this is why such fear has no place in your relationship with God. It is a kind of selfishness that keeps you blind to, and distant from, God. So long as you are absorbed with you, with your level of sincerity, with how well you've been maintaining just the right sort of thoughts, with whether or not you've acted in just the right way to keep yourself in God's good graces, you cannot see and enter into the love and rest of God. As you're discovering, relying upon yourself to keep you safe from God leads only to fear.

    God doesn't ask you to live His way, to love Him, by your own power and will. Everything He calls you to do and be in your relationship with Him, by His power, He enables. As Paul the apostle wrote in Philippians 2:12-13, you work out only what God has first worked into you. What does God work into you, exactly? The Holy Spirit. (Titus 3:5; 1 John 4:13; Romans 8:9-11; 1 Corinthians 6:19-20)

    In the Holy Spirit, not in yourself, you have all you can possibly have from God. He cannot give you anymore than Himself, right? In the Spirit, you have all the divine presence and power that is possible for you to possess. And all that is required from you to be filled with the Spirit and transformed by him is for you to remain in a place of submission to him (Romans 6:13-22; Romans 12:1; James 4:7; 1 Peter 5:6). As you are, he works by his power to form in you the character of Christ. (Romans 8:29; Philippians 1:6; Ephesians 3:14-19, 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24, Galatians 5:22-23, etc.)

    But you're too busy looking at yourself to give much attention to the Holy Spirit. You're embroiled in your thinking, in your feelings, in your ability to do this or that to satisfy God. All the while God is shaking His head, waiting for you to stop, to look away from yourself (Hebrews 12:2-23; 2 Corinthians 3:18) and submit to Him. Until you do, you will continue in the long chain of crises into which you seem to have settled as a habit of life.

    God banishes evil thoughts, and the lies upon which they always rest, with His truth given to you in His word, the Bible. (Matthew 4:4; Psalms 1; Psalms 119:11, 105; 2 Timothy 3:16-17, etc.) If you think God is just going to erase your mind and will and possess you, puppet-like, forcing you to act and think in the way He wants, you've got another thing coming. The love-relationship God desires with you does not allow such coercion. You must freely choose to go His way, to live under His control, in accord with His will. You do so by submitting to Him again and again throughout each day. As you do, He works to transform you.

    But you don't get to just sit idle while God changes you. No, you will, as He works in you, naturally move toward a holy, faith-filled, Christ-centered life. You will stand by faith upon His word, feeding upon it every day; you will guard your heart and mind, denying lies and darkness that try to take root; you will submit to God and desire more and more to do so as the days pass; you will depart from evil, separating yourself from the World, the Flesh and the devil unto God; you will share the Gospel of salvation with others and seek to train up godly people in the faith, and so on. But all these things you will do as a manifestation of what God is doing in you, not as products of your self-effort to earn His favor and your place in His kingdom.

    The solution to your inner conflicts and fears doesn't reside in you, in yourself, and your capacities and powers. Running constantly on the treadmill of your fearful, obsessive thinking will simply exhaust you and generate a deeper habit of obsessiveness. Stop it. Form a new habit of thinking. Don't get on the treadmill. Instead, turn to God's truth and obsess over it.

    John 8:31-32
    31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples,
    32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”


    Philippians 4:8
    8 Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.


    Psalm 1:1-3
    1 How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, Nor stand in the path of sinners, Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!
    2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night.
    3 He will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, Which yields its fruit in its season And its leaf does not wither; And in whatever he does, he prospers.


    Psalm 119:97
    97 Oh how I love your law! It is my meditation all the day.


    Use the moments when the anxieties and fears you revolve in rise up as a trigger to fix upon God's truth, about Him and His goodness, love and mercy. And keep doing so, by God's grace training a new habit of thought into yourself to look to Him when obsessive fear bubbles up in your mind. Don't wonder, or argue, or obsess about your fear. Look away from it; refuse to engage with it and instead simply fix your attention on God and His truth, choosing to believe it regardless of what you feel or the convolutions of thought tempting you to turn from His truth. As you do, God's truth, in tandem with the work of the Holy Spirit, will bring you progressively free of the bondage to fear into which you've placed yourself. This is how I got free of OCD, anxiety and depression. It works. But you won't win free by praying God will just mind-wipe you and turn you into His puppet.
     
  7. Blaise N

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    I’m sorry aiki,I’m just desperate for him,I need him and his love desperately in my life.
     
  8. aiki

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    Sorry? What for?

    I don't think you are actually desperate for God. You are desperate to be safe from Him, but not to actually know and walk with Him. This is evidenced in the fear you have relative to God. Such fear never comes from God, only from Self (and the devil). And you won't enact those practices God's word commands you to regarding the use of your spiritual sword, the Bible. Are you memorizing Scripture, as God commands you to do? Are you standing by faith upon it in the face of your fearful obsessiveness? Are you denying the lies upon which your fear rests with the light of God's truth? Not as far as I can tell. How desperate are you, then, to walk with God?

    Are you responding to your fear with submission to God's will and way? Or just fighting endlessly within yourself? Are you trusting to God's love, mercy and grace that He extends to you in Jesus, your Saviour? Or just fighting endlessly within yourself? Are you resting in the faithfulness and compassion of your Heavenly Father, fixing your attention upon Him, particularly when your fears rise up? Or just fighting endlessly within yourself?

    Your posts just repeat themselves, the same basic fears, the same basic struggle, and will do so until you actually begin to do the things God tells you in His word can free you from your struggle with obsessive fear. I don't mean to be unkind in the bluntness of my comments to you, but you have had the way to a joyful life in God laid out to you already and are simply not following it. So, I ask again: Are you really serious about God? Or just about getting rid of your anxiety? Do you truly want God? Or just to feel safe from Him?
     
  9. NBB

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    Some may call this 'not likely', 'backwards' or i don't know what, but a lot of satanic attacks happens because of witchcraft and sorcery, i found out later after years that a lot of what i suffered spiritually it was because of this,
    Blaise, you need to see someone that do serious deliverance. Don't listen to any pastor that doesn't do deliverance, they are not doing the gospel right, Jesus and his disciples dealt with spiritual issues etc all the days, why pastors now are ignoring this? and now evil spirits i even think they are more active than before with all the wickedness around.
     
  10. BobRyan

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    Your mind will often be "off leash" and "out of control" if not trained to focus on Christ.

    Heb 12:
    Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
    3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:


    Here is very easy way to do that - with this epic, world class commentary on the life of Christ - free and online - The Desire of Ages -- click it and you will get a very detailed look at the person of God, it is life changing.

    It will step-by-step walk you through the life of Christ - and give you many many word pictures in the life of Christ for your mind to dwell on. Start reading it. Start re-training your mind to focus on Christ. Angels of God will be at your side to help your mind in this therapy/repair/rebuilding exercise.
     
  11. Blaise N

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    I guess I want him to take my anxiety away and be safe WITH him.I don’t want to feel safe from him.What must I do to follow the path God asks of me?,How do I submit to him?,what must I do? When my fears arise I call out to him for comfort and help,but I also fight with myself.Aiki,what do I have to say for him to come and help?,how can I ask him for help?
     
  12. aiki

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    I agree, NBB, that the demonic often has a significant role to play in many of the things that bind people psychologically and spiritually. Each believer, though, in Christ, has power over the demonic. It is not necessary, then, to seek out a person with a "deliverance ministry," but any mature, holy believer who can pray and command in Christ's name demonic powers to depart the believer they are afflicting. Of course, such an oppressed believer only suffers under such oppression because s/he has opened his/her life to the demonic in some way. Repentance and confession is always a part of retrieving ground given to the demonic and winning free of their power.
     
  13. aiki

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    God isn't going to wipe away your anxiety in an instant. He respects the choices you've made that have imprisoned you in fear, as love requires Him to do. He won't just eradicate your exercise of your free will by negating the effects of your choices. But He has given you a PROCESS by which you can come free of the effects of your choices. In following this process He will teach you about spiritual warfare, about establishing and maintaining important spiritual habits, about principles of spiritual living, and about His transformative power. You can't learn any of these things if God just mind-wipes you.

    How do you submit? Well, imagine you were a general defeated on a battlefield. How would you surrender to the opposing general? Would it be enough for you to think, "Well, the enemy general knows I'm defeated and want to surrender. I'll just carry on assuming he knows I surrender"? No. You must go to your opposite on the opposing side and explicitly, directly yield yourself to him. You must do the same with God. Tell Him you submit to His will and way; ask Him to control you, your desires, thoughts and actions. And so often as you move from a place of surrender to Him, submit again to Him.

    The battle isn't to push yourself down, to resist yourself, but to submit to God and, by faith, wait on Him to bring you free. It is only in a place of surrender to God that His Spirit will fill you with the comfort and strength that He is. God doesn't fill up those who are filled with their own will and way.
     
  14. Blaise N

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    When does he start this process?
     
  15. aiki

    aiki Regular Member

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    The moment you surrender to Him. And so long as you remain submitted to Him.
     
  16. Blaise N

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    How can I know when he has started this process?,what will I see happen?
     
  17. aiki

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    Blaise, you walk by faith, not by sight, as God's child. This means, in part, that you won't likely see anything that God is doing in you in any marked, overt, instantly noticeable way. Like a branch growing out of a tree, you grow as a branch from the Vine (John 15:5). If you sat watching a tree branch for a day, or even a week, for growth, would you see anything? No. But it is growing nonetheless. Return to the branch in three months, or a year, and the growth is obvious. But not in any single moment. So, too, in your spiritual growth as a branch in the Vine, which is why, in part, you must walk by faith that God is responding to your submission to Him in the way He says in His word that He will. God's changing of you is just as gradual, and subtle, and natural as the growth of a tree.
     
  18. Blaise N

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    So could you help me if I have this wrong.

    So to get myself out of this predicament,I submit to God everyday and rely on his love and mercy (and Jesus’s death in the cross for forgiveness when I mess up) and rely on him alone for everything.
    is that right?
     
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    aiki Regular Member

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    You will likely submit to Him many times a day - as often as you realize you have stepped out from under His control, or are tempted to.

    You will have to trust that God has heard your submission to Him and is working in response. Be patient. Trust in Him, in His love and mercy.

    But, there are things you must do: Memorize God's word and study it; keep short accounts with God; stay connected to a local community of believers; work out what God is working into you.
     
  20. Blaise N

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    I have noticed something also during these days,I am faced with an impending intrusive thought/voice that Everytime I revert my mind to the focus of Jesus,I’m hit with and ignore “you alway can choose not to and rebel” but in turn I’m ignoring that thought and pressing forward hoping for Gods mercy.

    Aiki,can I ask you only this?,whatever happens in the future,can you pray for me please,that Christ never lets go or forgets me?
     
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