Satan On Earth

[Davy]

The majority of my Christian brethren are not prepared for the coming event our Lord Jesus warned us about that the "prince of this world" is coming. Instead they are bickering over what flesh man the Antichrist is going to be, and toying with numerology trying to figure out what the 666 of Revelation 13 means, and whether or not the Church is going to be here through the time of great tribulation Jesus foretold. They are not prepared because they have not heeded our Lord Jesus' simple warnings in His Word.

Those in Christ Jesus are supposed to know who the Antichrist or "man of sin" will be, before he arrives. That is why Apostle Paul foretold us in 2 Thessalonians 2 about that false one sitting in the temple in Jerusalem proclaiming himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped. If you don't know to specifically look for that event ahead of time, then how would you know what to watch for per Paul's warning?

John 12:31-33
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
KJV

Men's traditions like to play around with what our Lord Jesus said there in red, thinking He meant right then, at the time of His death on the cross, the devil was then "cast out" and bound in the pit. That was not the timing nor event our Lord Jesus was talking about, as revealed in the Book of John. There's more...

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV

A little later in the Book of John, Jesus says this, that the prince of this world cometh. In John 12 He said the prince of this world is "cast out", and now here in John 14 He says the prince of this world "cometh".

How can the prince of this world (Satan) "cometh" if "cast out" means he is bound in the pit?

Do you see the ignorant misleadings of what the doctrines of men do? Not only do men's doctrines make you leave the simplicity of God's Word, they purposefully steer you away from revealed Truth in God's Word intended for His saints.

The time when Satan will be bound in his pit prison is on the day of Jesus' second coming. It is written in Rev.20 that Satan will be bound for a thousand years. Until that time, Satan is free to operate.

Here is what the prince of this world (Satan) being "cast out" is about:

Rev 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

That is the casting out our Lord Jesus was referring to in John 12, and the event of the prince of this world "cometh" in John 14. It's about Satan and his angels being cast out of the heavenly dimension de facto down to this earth in OUR earthly dimension. That is who the Antichrist will be. That idea of their place no more found in heaven means they are leaving the heavenly dimension and coming to our earthly dimension, literally, in person, and we will see the devil as he is, a beautiful cherub with the image of 'man' (Ezek.28).

Satan is that "man of sin" and that "Wicked" Paul was speaking of in 2 Thess.2. Satan wanting to be God coveting God's Throne is how he originally rebelled back in the time of old. Satan still wants to be God, and to be worshiped as God. He is the ultimate Antichrist, and he has the image of 'man' as all angels do.


10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Just so we know this casting out is not about Satan falling from heaven back at his original rebellion, this event of his not being able to appear before God's Throne to accuse us will then be over, and Christ's Salvation in the heavenly will exist fully there. The description of saints who overcome him when he is cast out is yet another proof that this casting out is for our future, and not back in the time of old.


12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
KJV

That is meant literally about Satan appearing on earth. It does not mean Satan is going to be hiding inside some possessed soul, nor invisible. It means his appearance on earth de facto. The short time is a reference to the time of the tribulation for the end of this world.

We have been warned, and it's not difficult to read that simplicity written in those Scriptures. What is difficult for many is 'believing' it as written.

Men's doctrines exist to get you off the simplicity of those Scriptures. Our Heavenly Father and His Son will allow you to listen to those men if that's really what you want. God will allow you to be deceived by turning away from His Word by The Holy Spirit and instead relying on men's traditions. Let those men argue like children just like a bunch of politicians.

 

[Goatee]

Tribulation has been ongoing since early Christianity. The devil roams around freely. His spirit is in thousands of souls already. The devils work is ongoing......

 

[Davy]

Tribulation has been ongoing since early Christianity. The devil roams around freely. His spirit is in thousands of souls already. The devils work is ongoing......

Yeah, but you don't see him, literally, yet. But if you're here for the time of great tribulation which Jesus tied specifically at the end... of this world, then you will see Satan as he is, here on earth, with the image of man, because that image is what God also created the angels with.

So believe what you want now. But when it's all over, you will be forced to believe what was written in God's Word about this all along.

 

[Goatee]

Yeah, but you don't see him, literally, yet. But if you're here for the time of great tribulation which Jesus tied specifically at the end... of this world, then you will see Satan as he is, here on earth, with the image of man, because that image is what God also created the angels with.

So believe what you want now. But when it's all over, you will be forced to believe what was written in God's Word about this all along.

Well, i am not going worry about the devil and what he looks like. As far as i am concerned he is here now and we just need to concentrate on God alone. Put it all in the hands of God.

 

[Sanoy]

Would I be correct in assuming you believe that the head wound that was healed does not in any way refer to a former king? Or put a different way...How do you handle Rev 17 with the idea that satan will appear literally as himself?

 

[Davy]

Would I be correct in assuming you believe that the head wound that was healed does not in any way refer to a former king? Or put a different way...How do you handle Rev 17 with the idea that satan will appear literally as himself?

Firstly, the deadly wound of Rev.13 is about a wound to one of the "seven heads" of the first beast which is about a beast kingdom. I know many get confused about that, but here's is where we are shown:

Rev 13:12
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
KJV

Per Rev.17:9 we were told the "seven heads" are "seven mountains". The ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns descriptor is about a kingdom beast. The 2nd beast which is about the coming Antichrist is the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward.

Back in Rev.12 we were to understand about this beast kingdom of old which is linked to the time when Satan first rebelled, drawing a third of the angels to earth with him. The number of crowns it had was seven. We were to grasp this before getting to the Rev.13 chapter about the kingdom beast that is to have ten crowns:

Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV

Most don't pay attention to that difference; I didn't either years ago, but just assumed it was talking about the same beast kingdom of Rev.13. It's not. That one is linked with the time when Satan first rebelled in coveting God's Throne, and God cast him to the earth. That had to have happened even before Adam and Eve since Satan appears in God's Garden to tempt as "that old serpent".

Once you understand about that beast kingdom of old which had only seven crowns, and you know it failed when God destroyed what Satan tried to do back then, then understanding the deadly wound and it's relation to the beast king of Rev.17 should be easier:

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

That is about the beast king. It is referring directly to Satan with that "shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition". In Rev.9 we were told the locusts have a "king" over them which is the "angel of the bottomless pit". Satan is an angel also, and he wants to be king in God's place, but Satan is over his angels which rebelled with him. And only he and his angels have already been judged and sentenced to perdition, thus his title "Apoyllon" in Rev.9.

Satan is that beast that 'was', pointing to his rebellion of old with that old seven crown beast system, and he is not, meaning he has not tried it again during this world, but only worked through the beast kings he helped setup, and yet is pointing to the future end of this world when Satan will try to set himself up as God once more.

 

[Sanoy]

Per Rev.17:9 we were told the "seven heads" are "seven mountains". The ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns descriptor is about a kingdom beast.

What about the next verse, verse 10

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

 

[Davy]

What about the next verse, verse 10

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

1. "five are fallen" - 5 beast kings of past history
2. "and one is" - the 6th; the Roman Domitian of Apostle John's day
3. "and the other is not yet come" - the 7th; the coming Antichrist for the end of this world
4. "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth" - Satan at the end of the future "thousand years" of Rev.20.

The beast king role is all about wanting to be GOD The KING. And that is what Satan did when he first rebelled against GOD.

 

[Sanoy]

1. "five are fallen" - 5 beast kings of past history
2. "and one is" - the 6th; the Roman Domitian of Apostle John's day
3. "and the other is not yet come" - the 7th; the coming Antichrist for the end of this world
4. "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth" - Satan at the end of the future "thousand years" of Rev.20.

The beast king role is all about wanting to be GOD The KING. And that is what Satan did when he first rebelled against GOD.

Right but the 8th is one of the 7. The 7 were kings so why isn't the 8th who is one of the 7 an earthly king like Domitian?

To me it seems to indicate that this is someone we will recognize from a list of 7 kings. These are all kings that have, is, or will rule. So this should be a former king that we can name.

 

[Davy]

Right but the 8th is one of the 7. The 7 were kings so why isn't the 8th who is one of the 7 an earthly king like Domitian?

To me it seems to indicate that this is someone we will recognize from a list of 7 kings. These are all kings that have, is, or will rule. So this should be a former king that we can name.

We're shown the 8th is already judged and sentenced to perish, which is a reference to destruction in the future "lake of fire". What flesh born man is already judged and sentenced to the "lake of fire"? None; only Satan and his angels so far. That is why Satan is the 8th, and is 'of' the 7, meaning the 7 are of his working of wanting to be God, whether we're speaking of the king of Babylon, or the Roman emperors. The 7th one is still to come though, and that 7th one will end when Jesus comes, so that moves the 8th into Christ's "thousand years" of Rev.20.

 

[Sanoy]

We're shown the 8th is already judged and sentenced to perish, which is a reference to destruction in the future "lake of fire". What flesh born man is already judged and sentenced to the "lake of fire"? None; only Satan and his angels so far. That is why Satan is the 8th, and is 'of' the 7, meaning the 7 are of his working of wanting to be God, whether we're speaking of the king of Babylon, or the Roman emperors. The 7th one is still to come though, and that 7th one will end when Jesus comes, so that moves the 8th into Christ's "thousand years" of Rev.20.

But it says the 8th is one of the seven in a very strict sense. So it seems, at least to me, that it is a king from the past. It's all very cryptic, but it seems like it is saying that. It seems like it is saying the 8th will be one of these 7 kings.

In several cases in the OT the prophets paralleled kings with satan himself so judgement it's completely out of place. And the mark of the beast is the number of a man. 6 is the actual number of man. There just seems to be a lot out there pointing to the appearance of a man, a satan infused man, but biologically man.

 

[Davy]

In several cases in the OT the prophets paralleled kings with satan himself so judgement it's completely out of place. And the mark of the beast is the number of a man. 6 is the actual number of man. There just seems to be a lot out there pointing to the appearance of a man, a satan infused man, but biologically man.

I keep hearing that idea of trying to use the image of a 'man' to prove the coming Antichrist has to be a man in the flesh, even while rejecting God's Word in Revelation 12:7 forward that literally shows us Satan and his angels are coming to our earthly dimension, which obviously has to mean a different type operation than they have been known for previously in their working during this present world.

Many brethren forget that God created the angels also with the image of man, which image originates from our Heavenly Father Himself, meaning the image of man began in the Heavenly first, not with the flesh man Adam.

Gen 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
KJV

 

[Davy]

But it says the 8th is one of the seven in a very strict sense. So it seems, at least to me, that it is a king from the past. It's all very cryptic, but it seems like it is saying that. It seems like it is saying the 8th will be one of these 7 kings.

The Rev.17:11 verse phrase "and is of the seven" is simply about a link to the seven kings just described, but an 8th being mentioned means at least one more after the 7th. I don't know why you would struggle with that since it's laid out pretty plainly. I don't find it cryptic at all.

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

Those parts in red are about the same one, Satan as that beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit and is to perish in the lake of fire. Not recognizing that from the start there can make those passages seem cryptic without grasping that first. Is there a doctrine of man getting in the way of understanding that part? Yes, I think so, there is for many I've conversed with here on this Scripture.

 

[Sanoy]

I keep hearing that idea of trying to use the image of a 'man' to prove the coming Antichrist has to be a man in the flesh, even while rejecting God's Word in Revelation 12:7 forward that literally shows us Satan and his angels are coming to our earthly dimension, which obviously has to mean a different type operation than they have been known for previously in their working during this present world.

Many brethren forget that God created the angels also with the image of man, which image originates from our Heavenly Father Himself, meaning the image of man began in the Heavenly first, not with the flesh man Adam.

Gen 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
KJV

This verse is highly controversial in meaning. And there is no indication in the bible that angels and God look like men. However we take the visionary account of Daniel, some do and some clearly do not have a likeness to man. The testament of Amran also reveals the differing appearance of Angels, being man like or serpentine. Satan, the Nachash, however is a fiery serpent, a Seraphim*, who in all accounts of the ANE had no resemblance of a man.

(He is not a Cherubim, the better translation is that he was beside the Cherubim. It is also makes more sense given the Ox root of cherubim)

 

[Sanoy]

The Rev.17:11 verse phrase "and is of the seven" is simply about a link to the seven kings just described, but an 8th being mentioned means at least one more after the 7th. I don't know why you would struggle with that since it's laid out pretty plainly. I don't find it cryptic at all.

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

Those parts in red are about the same one, Satan as that beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit and is to perish in the lake of fire. Not recognizing that from the start there can make those passages seem cryptic without grasping that first. Is there a doctrine of man getting in the way of understanding that part? Yes, I think so, there is for many I've conversed with here on this Scripture.

See I think this once was, now is not, fits right into the statement about the eighth being one of seven. 5 of the seven once was, if the eighth is one of the 7 and once was he is one of the 5. There are only 7 heads, but eight kings. The 8th is one of the 7, more specifically one of the 5, as they are the only heads that once was but now is not.

At least that is how I see it. I still see it as using very cryptic language.

 

[Davy]

This verse is highly controversial in meaning. And there is no indication in the bible that angels and God look like men. However we take the visionary account of Daniel, some do and some clearly do not have a likeness to man. The testament of Amran also reveals the differing appearance of Angels, being man like or serpentine. Satan, the Nachash, however is a fiery serpent, a Seraphim*, who in all accounts of the ANE had no resemblance of a man.

(He is not a Cherubim, the better translation is that he was beside the Cherubim. It is also makes more sense given the Ox root of cherubim)

You obviously have not read enough of God's Word to be conversing on the subject:

Gen 19:1
19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
KJV

Gen 19:4-5
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
KJV

The sodomites saw the two angels sent to Lot and his family as 'men'. It's because God created the angels with the image of man also, as Genesis 1:

Gen 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
KJV


Gen 18:1-4
18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
KJV

Those three men were the two angels sent to Lot in the next Gen.19 chapter, and the third was Christ speaking to Abraham at the end of Gen.18.

There are other Scriptures about the appearance of angels on earth with the image of man, even in Hebrews 13 that said for us to be hospitable to strangers, because some have entertained angels unaware.

So this matter of angels have the image of man also is very elementary Bible 101 stuff. Even little children understand it in Sunday school.

 

[Sanoy]

You obviously have not read enough of God's Word to be conversing on the subject:

Gen 19:1
19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
KJV

Gen 19:4-5
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
KJV

The sodomites saw the two angels sent to Lot and his family as 'men'. It's because God created the angels with the image of man also, as Genesis 1:

Gen 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
KJV


Gen 18:1-4
18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
KJV

Those three men were the two angels sent to Lot in the next Gen.19 chapter, and the third was Christ speaking to Abraham at the end of Gen.18.

There are other Scriptures about the appearance of angels on earth with the image of man, even in Hebrews 13 that said for us to be hospitable to strangers, because some have entertained angels unaware.

So this matter of angels have the image of man also is very elementary Bible 101 stuff. Even little children understand it in Sunday school.

That is how they can appear. If you are suggesting that because of these appearances in places like Sodom they must be like men, then you must also believe they naturally have sexual equipment as the sodomites wanted to have sex with them. The more traditional account is that they put on the appearance of men. Which is what they did in Genesis 6.

Angels have heavenly bodies, not earthly bodies.

 

[Davy]

That is how they can appear. If you are suggesting that because of these appearances in places like Sodom they must be like men, then you must also believe they naturally have sexual equipment as the sodomites wanted to have sex with them. The more traditional account is that they put on the appearance of men. Which is what they did in Genesis 6.

Angels have heavenly bodies, not earthly bodies.

That's just a doctrine of men that the angelic body does not have the same image of man that we have. And Jesus said in the resurrection they don't marry nor take in marriage, and are as the angels of God in heaven. So the resurrection type body, which is a "spiritual body" according to Apostle Paul, is the angelic type body of the image of the heavenly. So don't tell me the angels don't have the image of man, even in the heavenly, just so you can keep a false tradition of men. Your doctrine goes against even the simplicity of the Genesis 1 Scripture when God said Let Us create man in OUR IMAGE.

 

[Sanoy]

That's just a doctrine of men that the angelic body does not have the same image of man that we have. And Jesus said in the resurrection they don't marry nor take in marriage, and are as the angels of God in heaven. So the resurrection type body, which is a "spiritual body" according to Apostle Paul, is the angelic type body of the image of the heavenly. So don't tell me the angels don't have the image of man, even in the heavenly, just so you can keep a false tradition of men. Your doctrine goes against even the simplicity of the Genesis 1 Scripture when God said Let Us create man in OUR IMAGE.

Describe a seraph for me. - edit: Scratch that. It sounds like things are getting frustrated so lets leave it at that. I just wanted to see how your view dealt with those sections to see if it might open it up.

 

[Davy]

That is how they can appear. If you are suggesting that because of these appearances in places like Sodom they must be like men, then you must also believe they naturally have sexual equipment as the sodomites wanted to have sex with them. The more traditional account is that they put on the appearance of men. Which is what they did in Genesis 6.

Angels have heavenly bodies, not earthly bodies.

You are still trying to define the word 'man' according to doctrines outside The Word of God. Jesus showed there is no marriage in the resurrection, because they are as the angels of God in heaven. According to Apostle Paul in 1 Cor.15, there is the image of the earthy, and the image of the heavenly, and that's it. As we have borne the image of the earthy he said, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Both images are the image of man.

The Gen.6 matter of what some of Satan's angels did was a different matter, because Jude tells us they left their own habitation and estate, meaning they left their state as angels, and that is how they were able to mate with flesh woman.

The angels in Gen.18 were able to eat man's food. Mana is angel's food, and that's one of the foods God fed the Israelites in the wilderness. So that should tell you that the angelic body does have substance to it, and that it is not simply a ghost from a Hollywood movie which many rely on as their understanding of what that other dimension is about.