Satan is defeated or not?

[John Hyperspace]

are you trying to suggest satan is not in the world

Of the world: John 15:19, John 17:16, 1 John 2:16.

Are you trying to suggest things and people are "satans"

Simply citing the scripture.

when what is really true is that there indeed is a spiritual battle and a spiritual realm causung confusion and deception to those who are deceived into believing that Satan is a made up fictitious being

There is a real Satan, but the man with red tail and horns tweaking his moustache is fiction. The real Satan is anything causing adversity to the things of God. A false teacher is a satan; Pharisees are satans; the worldly church is satan. Anything that does not "savor the things of God, but of men" is Satan: which is why Jesus said to Simon Peter: Matthew 16:23

 

[miknik5]

Basically, false understanding of biblical prophecy being taught by worldly prophets in worldly churches who speak by the spirit of the world (1 Corinthians 2:12: which is the "mark of the beast" in the forehead of the worldly-minded, as opposed to the "seal of God" in the forehead of the spiritually-minded); which causes the nations to go into a panic toward (Joel 2:1, Luke 21:10, Zephaniah 3:8) one another each misunderstanding the intents of the others through the false accusations of the false prophets (spirits of devils) against the nations; causing the nations to be drunk (Jeremiah 25:26-28) with mistrust of one another (Jeremiah 51:7) until they reach a breaking point and go to war against each other based on slander and false accusations taught by worldly spirited prophets emerging from the system of the world: operating by the wisdom that does not descend from above, but is of the world (James 3:15) causing strife and division: 1 Corinthians 3:3.

The defeat of Satan means, the defeat of national adversity through peace: no more adversity among the nations: Satan is figuratively locked away (Revelation 20:2) and there is the age of peace to come; in which, as David said through the Spirit "There is no Satan": 1 Kings 5:4, Psalms 37:11, Jeremiah 33:6, Psalms 72:11, Micah 4:3.

Then there was no reason for CHRIST to pray for those whom the FATHER had given HIM out of the world that HE keep us from the evil one

Since, according to you, Satan has been defeated at the cross

Therefore those who are marked by GOD as belonging to HIM and are in CHRIST and those who aren't marked as belonging to GOD in CHRIST have nothing to fear about their receiving the mark of the beast

Since there is no Satan

 

[miknik5]

Can you tell me who these three unclean spirits looking like frogs which come out of the mouths of the false prophet, beast and dragon to go and gather the "kings of the earth" for the great battle represent?

Revelation 16

 

[miknik5]

Of the world: John 15:19, John 17:16, 1 John 2:16.



Simply citing the scripture.



There is a real Satan, but the man with red tail and horns tweaking his moustache is fiction. The real Satan is anything causing adversity to the things of God. A false teacher is a satan; Pharisees are satans; the worldly church is satan. Anything that does not "savor the things of God, but of men" is Satan: which is why Jesus said to Simon Peter: Matthew 16:23

Was there an angel cast down from heaven and with him 1/3 of the angels?

Did he go out to deceive the whole world?

Did he know the plan from the beginning which is why from the beginning he has been trying to destroy the woman's child

And since that didn't work went out to try to destroy all her other children?

 

[miknik5]

I'd like to know if there are two fathers And two kingdoms?

 

[miknik5]

Of the world: John 15:19, John 17:16, 1 John 2:16.



Simply citing the scripture.



There is a real Satan, but the man with red tail and horns tweaking his moustache is fiction. The real Satan is anything causing adversity to the things of God. A false teacher is a satan; Pharisees are satans; the worldly church is satan. Anything that does not "savor the things of God, but of men" is Satan: which is why Jesus said to Simon Peter: Matthew 16:23

No. you aren't citing scripture. People and things are not called Satan by the Lord. However those who did the things of the wrong father were told they were the children of the wrong father. Showing that there was indeed another father (John 8)

This as well shows that there are two kingdoms

The TRUTH that GOD transferred us out of the kingdom of darkness and into the kingdom of LIGHT in HIS SON whom HE loves (Colossians 1)

there are two kingdoms being built up

Even now

Which is why THE GOSPEL is preached
That those in "Egypt" serving the wrong king might be brought into ISRAEL to serve the RIGHT KING

Out of Egypt I called. MY SON

Showing that if one has not been called into ISRAEL then they are still in Egypt serving the wrong father

 

[John Hyperspace]

Since there is no Satan

I'm not saying there isn't a satan.

 

[John Hyperspace]

No. you aren't citing scripture. People and things are not called Satan by the Lord.

Okay.

 

[miknik5]

I'm not saying there isn't a satan.

Okay. then what are you suggesting to people?

Do you believe 2 Thessalonians 2 has already occurrred?

 

[miknik5]

I know that there will be a lot of unrest and man will rise up against his brother but this will be magnified when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way"

And it will be then that those who served the TRUE FATHER will be made manifest from those who, (whether knowingly or unknowingly) served the wrong father

But they are not Satan but are doing the workings of his kingdom

Just as those born of CHRIST's SPIRIT are not CHRIST but are supposed to do the works of HIS KINGDOM


Which is why CHRIST rebuked Peter.

 

[miknik5]

Basically, false understanding of biblical prophecy being taught by worldly prophets in worldly churches who speak by the spirit of the world (1 Corinthians 2:12: which is the "mark of the beast" in the forehead of the worldly-minded, as opposed to the "seal of God" in the forehead of the spiritually-minded); which causes the nations to go into a panic toward (Joel 2:1, Luke 21:10, Zephaniah 3:8) one another each misunderstanding the intents of the others through the false accusations of the false prophets (spirits of devils) against the nations; causing the nations to be drunk (Jeremiah 25:26-28) with mistrust of one another (Jeremiah 51:7) until they reach a breaking point and go to war against each other based on slander and false accusations taught by worldly spirited prophets emerging from the system of the world: operating by the wisdom that does not descend from above, but is of the world (James 3:15) causing strife and division: 1 Corinthians 3:3.

The defeat of Satan means, the defeat of national adversity through peace: no more adversity among the nations: Satan is figuratively locked away (Revelation 20:2) and there is the age of peace to come; in which, as David said through the Spirit "There is no Satan": 1 Kings 5:4, Psalms 37:11, Jeremiah 33:6, Psalms 72:11, Micah 4:3.

All that you described above will happen after HE who holds all things back is taken out of the world

While HE is on the world, HE convicts the world of sin

When HE is taken out of the world there will be none to convict the world of sin and man will have free reign to do as he pleases

During that time it will be made manifest to those who will be appalled by all the atrocities which will come upon the earth in the last day whose works these are and these are the ones whom
the craftsman will mark so that they will not be harmed before destruction and judgement begin

 

[FaithfulPilgrim]

My Sunday school teacher said that Satan is defeated and knows he has lost, but God won't delivered the final blow until Judgment Day.

In the meantime, Satan is trying to mislead as many people as he can.

 

[miknik5]

My Sunday school teacher said that Satan is defeated and knows he has lost, but God won't delivered the final blow until Judgment Day.

In the meantime, Satan is trying to mislead as many people as he can.

Yes

 

[Jaxxi]

The Bible says in the letter of Colossians 2:15 that satan is defeated. But how is he still capable attacking the church, since he is defeated?

In this video it looks like satan is still very active even tho' he is defeated... How can that be?

Satan is being given time by God to see the err of his ways and ask for Gods forgiveness. Let us not forget God loved Lucifer as an angel very much and would like to forgive him, but since time has already played out, we know this does not happen and He is defeated in the long run.

 

[JacksBratt]

Satan is being given time by God to see the err of his ways and ask for Gods forgiveness. Let us not forget God loved Lucifer as an angel very much and would like to forgive him, but since time has already played out, we know this does not happen and He is defeated in the long run.

I highly doubt that this is the case. Once Satan and the fallen angels made their choice, there was and is not turning back for them.

Salvation is for mankind, not for angelic beings. They are full well aware of all the information of the creation of the universe, the events of all time and the consequences of their actions.

They have no one to pay for the sins they have committed, but themselves.

Please read the section I have included from:

https://gotquestions.org/angels-repent.html


Question: "Why doesn't God give the fallen angels a chance to repent?"

Answer: The Bible does not specifically address the issue of fallen angels having an opportunity to repent, but we can gain some insight from what the Bible does say. First, Satan (Lucifer) was one of the highest angels, perhaps the highest (Ezekiel 28:14). Lucifer—and all the angels—were continually in God’s presence and had knowledge of the glory of God. Therefore, they had no excuse for rebelling against God and turning away from Him. They were not tempted. Lucifer and the other angels rebelling against God despite what they knew was the utmost evil.

Second, God did not provide a plan of redemption for the angels as He did for mankind. The fall of the human race necessitated an atoning sacrifice for sin, and God provided that sacrifice in Jesus Christ. In His grace, God redeemed the human race and brought glory to Himself.

No such sacrifice was planned for the angels. In addition, God referred to those angels who remain faithful to Him as His “elect angels” (1 Timothy 5:21). We know from the biblical doctrine of election that those whom God elects to salvation will be saved, and nothing can separate them from God’s love (Romans 8:38-39). Clearly, those angels who rebelled were not “elect angels” of God.

Finally, the Bible gives us no reason to believe that angels would repent even if God gave them the chance (1 Peter 5:8). The fallen angels seem completely devoted to opposing God and attacking God's people. The Bible says that the severity of God’s judgment varies according to how much knowledge a person possesses (Luke 12:48). The fallen angels, then, with the great knowledge they possessed, are greatly deserving of God’s wrath.

 

[Alithis]

The Bible says in the letter of Colossians 2:15 that satan is defeated. But how is he still capable attacking the church, since he is defeated?

In this video it looks like satan is still very active even tho' he is defeated... How can that be?

I have not watched the video.

Satan is defeated.

Your question has a simple answer.
When Jesus won the victory for us ,he won back what Adam lost.
The authority.

Jesus said ALL authority is given to me.
All.... Means the devil has none.

When a man has authority to withdraw money from a bank he does in the door..walks up shows his authority and is given what he came for.

When a thief wants money he has no authority...but he has the ability to rob the bank.
The devil is a thief with no authority to do anything he does.
He is a rebel a thief a liar..

He attacks the believers only in so much as they do not know the authority they have to stop him.

When hateful men do it they will e judged..the devil plays on their wicked heart ,but the men do it. They will quickly judged .

Ability and authority are not the same thing.

 

[Alithis]

Satan is being given time by God to see the err of his ways and ask for Gods forgiveness. Let us not forget God loved Lucifer as an angel very much and would like to forgive him, but since time has already played out, we know this does not happen and He is defeated in the long run.

There is no scripture to base this on .

 

[CrystalDragon]

Satan is being given time by God to see the err of his ways and ask for Gods forgiveness. Let us not forget God loved Lucifer as an angel very much and would like to forgive him, but since time has already played out, we know this does not happen and He is defeated in the long run.

I highly doubt that this is the case. Once Satan and the fallen angels made their choice, there was and is not turning back for them.

Salvation is for mankind, not for angelic beings. They are full well aware of all the information of the creation of the universe, the events of all time and the consequences of their actions.

They have no one to pay for the sins they have committed, but themselves.

Please read the section I have included from:

https://gotquestions.org/angels-repent.html


Question: "Why doesn't God give the fallen angels a chance to repent?"

Answer: The Bible does not specifically address the issue of fallen angels having an opportunity to repent, but we can gain some insight from what the Bible does say. First, Satan (Lucifer) was one of the highest angels, perhaps the highest (Ezekiel 28:14). Lucifer—and all the angels—were continually in God’s presence and had knowledge of the glory of God. Therefore, they had no excuse for rebelling against God and turning away from Him. They were not tempted. Lucifer and the other angels rebelling against God despite what they knew was the utmost evil.

Second, God did not provide a plan of redemption for the angels as He did for mankind. The fall of the human race necessitated an atoning sacrifice for sin, and God provided that sacrifice in Jesus Christ. In His grace, God redeemed the human race and brought glory to Himself.

No such sacrifice was planned for the angels. In addition, God referred to those angels who remain faithful to Him as His “elect angels” (1 Timothy 5:21). We know from the biblical doctrine of election that those whom God elects to salvation will be saved, and nothing can separate them from God’s love (Romans 8:38-39). Clearly, those angels who rebelled were not “elect angels” of God.

Finally, the Bible gives us no reason to believe that angels would repent even if God gave them the chance (1 Peter 5:8). The fallen angels seem completely devoted to opposing God and attacking God's people. The Bible says that the severity of God’s judgment varies according to how much knowledge a person possesses (Luke 12:48). The fallen angels, then, with the great knowledge they possessed, are greatly deserving of God’s wrath.

Lucifer was not Satan. Lucifer was used as a title meaning Morning Star in a proverb taken up against the King of Babylon.

 

[Alithis]

Lucifer was not Satan. Lucifer was used as a title meaning Morning Star in a proverb taken up against the King of Babylon.

Your completely missing the point.

 

[miknik5]

Lucifer was not Satan. Lucifer was used as a title meaning Morning Star in a proverb taken up against the King of Babylon.

Do you see then how GOD views those who are against HIM as children who do the works of the wrong father