satan has finally destroyed the church

[holyrokker]

(lyrics)
"He is the living one who was dead, behold He is now alive forever and ever and holds the keys to death and Hades."
Yeeaaahhh!
YEEEAAAHHH!!
Royal blood flowed through His veins even as He was a beaten man spat on in shame.
Tied to the cross by mockers who scoffed, beaten, bruised, pulverized with no help from aloft.
And though His body was buried once they pulled Him from the tree, there was no grave on earth that could hold His majesty.
Death was rendered powerless and all hell fears His name...
Deathless Conqueror,
King of Kings riding through a field of blood…
"He that is dead is free from sin and if we be dead with Christ then we shall also live with Him.
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dies no more; death has no more dominion over Him."


King of Kings and Lord of Lords,
Eyes of fire...
Deathless Conqueror!
King of Kings and Lord of Lords,
with justice waging war
He's the Deathless Conqueror!

King of Kings and Lord of Lords,
Faithful and True...
Deathless Conqueror!
King of Kings and Lord of Lords,
Word of God…
Deathless Conqueror!
King of Kings!

 

[holyrokker]

The song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6jbNkzzrdo

 

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[Nienna_Lady_of_Tears]

What attracts these lost young people is not wholesome. Heaven is wholesome. Thereby pleasing to God.

Copying the devil is not wholesome.

Are you aware that a lot of good ol' fashion hymns were set to the tune of old DRINKING SONGS?

 

[miggles]

Are you aware that a lot of good ol' fashion hymns were set to the tune of old DRINKING SONGS?

Which ones? I know the Star Spangled Banner was set to the tune of an old drinking song. Which is fitting. These days anyway.

 

[Bunnelby]

Which ones? I know the Star Spangled Banner was set to the tune of an old drinking song. Which is fitting. These days anyway.

A Mighty Fortress is our God has the tune of a drinking song.

 

[Willing Spirit]

Are you aware that a lot of good ol' fashion hymns were set to the tune of old DRINKING SONGS?

I only know of two hymns that were set to drinking tunes. There are probably more, but it's the exception to the rule.

Here's an earlier thread where I addressed this subject:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7625305

 

[holyrokker]

Well I think since you called all those who don't agree with you "swine" you should at least back up your Opinion with scripture.

John 3:16

Backing up an opinion with Scripture is not the same as having a scriptural basis for an opinion.

To back up an opinion means a person forms an opinion first, then can lift any number of verses out of context to support it. It is not a biblical opinion.

To have a scriptural basis for an opinion means to study Scripture dilligently and objectively. It means finding a pattern in Scripture that leads to the formation of an opinion contextually.

 

[shawnavery]

Backing up an opinion with Scripture is not the same as having a scriptural basis for an opinion.

To back up an opinion means a person forms an opinion first, then can lift any number of verses out of context to support it. It is not a biblical opinion.

To have a scriptural basis for an opinion means to study Scripture dilligently and objectively. It means finding a pattern in Scripture that leads to the formation of an opinion contextually.

In that sense how do you know what came first ?

John 3:16

 

[holyrokker]

In that sense how do you know what came first ?

John 3:16

Good question. Why do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead? This is something that is clearly revealed in the Bible.

How do you know the acceptable way to take communion? Many churches disagree on this. Each one will cite passages from the Bible to support the claim.

It requires constantly challenging our own assumptions and doctrines.

 

[shawnavery]

Good question. Why do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead? This is something that is clearly revealed in the Bible.

How do you know the acceptable way to take communion? Many churches disagree on this. Each one will cite passages from the Bible to support the claim.

It requires constantly challenging our own assumptions and doctrines.

Hmmm I see your point there

John 3:16

 

[cafefan374]

Electric guitars can be a great tool for worship when used correctly and at the right times so I don't agree w/ you on that. Anyway, I don't see much electric guitars in church but then again In black churches we focus more on keyboards or pianos. Drums to an extent too. I hardly call the church that I attend a money grubbing church the pastor and his wife are very good at what they do. They are involved in missionary work and the wife actually has a counseling practice (She's a licensed social worker). I love hearing how musicians use different styles to glorify the Lord. I focus more on lyrics. Now I'm not a fan of christian rock but I love some acoustic .

 

[XB3LI3V3RX]

satan has thrown out the hymnals and brought in new age "music" . Drum sets and electric guitars have replaced the cross. Moronic
moneygrubbers have replaced preachers. Mockery has replaced reverence. Noise has replaced peace.

The moneychangers had nothing on the church today. Remember what Jesus did to them?

This is actually just your opinion because there is nowhere in the Bible that says the type of music you are referring to is bad. People have posted many scriptures proving to you that this kind of music actually agrees with what the Bible says about music. By your standards, I'm probably a Satanist for the music I listen to, but I actually worship God by listening to bands like For Today or War of Ages. If I'm truly worshiping The Lord with all my heart and this type of music gets me riled up, then who are you to judge my walk with Christ?

 

[SaltwaterHeart]

Music, in itself, is an art form. It takes a lot of practice to play a musical instrument, to sing, and to even read music.

So, maybe it is best to look at music as making a picture.

Let's say, you're really inspired by the story of Jonah and the whale. It hit you on a personal level, and now you want to draw something that retells it. What style of art will you use? And what medium will you use?
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what style it's in, or what medium you used. What really matters is that you are creating work that is inspired by God's Word, and for God Himself. And music works in the same way.

 

[jmcorn]

Psalms 33:3 KJV

Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise.

This says it all!!!!

 

[samjazz]

Satan has not and cannot destroy the church

Matthew 16:18
English Standard Version (ESV)

18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Revelation 11:15
English Standard Version (ESV)

Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”

Musical Styles in Church
I love the old hymns, and spent over 20 years in a United Methodist Church, but I also love much of the modern Praise and Worship music. Whether or not I like a particular genre of music is irrelevant. If there are people perform music that glorifies God, and there is a crowd who is lifted up by that then that's just awesome. I don't particularly enjoy rap for example, but if I listen to the words I can appreciate the message. If a church draws a younger crowd who appreciate that style and they also receive a biblically based message, how could that not be a win? Really, music itself can't be unholy, only the words can be unholy.

Praise and Worship Team Member's Perspective
As a bass player for a Praise and Worship team at my church, I can tell you that before every practice and start of services, we pray. Within that prayer, inevitably, whoever is praying adds words to this effect, "Lord, let this be about You and not us. We are here to lead Your church to worship not glorify ourselves. Let Your Spirit fill this house and let us bring glory and honor to You for you alone are worthy."

A Dad's Perspective
On my praise team, on rotation, my son plays lead guitar and my daughter sings. I could not be happier that my kids are invested in the Church and not out in the world doing worldly things.

Conclusion
One would have to have a heart of stone to not see what a positive difference Praise and Worship can have on people's lives. Please don't be too hasty to dismiss a particular style of music, even if its not your favorite. If it is reaching people for Christ it is a good thing. Remember, we will be spending eternity praising the Lord of Hosts, so I hope you all really dig making a joyful noise to the Lord, 'cause yer gonna be doing a lot of it!

Love, in Christ Jesus Name.
Sam

 

[jmcorn]

Sam, I am also the bass player on our praise team. We always pray after every practice and before we play on Sunday. Most of the prayer centers around giving God all the honor and Glory and praise.

We play anything from Jesus Culture to hymns and anything in between. IMO those Hymns sound so much better with a full band. Check out "Just a little talk with Jesus" and Down at the Cross" by Lynda Randle.

 

[contango]

satan has thrown out the hymnals and brought in new age "music" . Drum sets and electric guitars have replaced the cross. Moronic
moneygrubbers have replaced preachers. Mockery has replaced reverence. Noise has replaced peace.

The moneychangers had nothing on the church today. Remember what Jesus did to them?

Ah yes, those pesky instruments. Good job we didn't have any newfangled trickery going on when that irreverent hack wrote the Psalms...

Psa 150:1 Praise the LORD! Praise God in His sanctuary; Praise Him in His mighty firmament!
Psa 150:2 Praise Him for His mighty acts; Praise Him according to His excellent greatness!
Psa 150:3 Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet; Praise Him with the lute and harp!
Psa 150:4 Praise Him with the timbrel and dance; Praise Him with stringed instruments and flutes!
Psa 150:5 Praise Him with loud cymbals; Praise Him with clashing cymbals!
Psa 150:6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD!

Someone might have thought those loud and clashing cymbals were inappropriate. Trumpets can be quite loud as well, especially when the teenager next door is learning to play.

 

[samjazz]

Sam, I am also the bass player on our praise team. We always pray after every practice and before we play on Sunday. Most of the prayer centers around giving God all the honor and Glory and praise.

We play anything from Jesus Culture to hymns and anything in between. IMO those Hymns sound so much better with a full band. Check out "Just a little talk with Jesus" and Down at the Cross" by Lynda Randle.

jmcorn, I kind of know of you from talk bass, I read the p&w bassist forum daily. In fact that's how I wound up here, I saw your post. I feel that the p&w forum is one of the most civil out there, especially with that much history. I will continue to read there, it's been very helpful to me.

I do my best to bring God glory and honor and praise. Each week I have two Sunday morning regular services and one youth evening service. I practice as much as I can, I have three rehearsals per week. I invest my "extra" cash on equipment. I don't say this in boasting, rather, as evidence of my commitment to serve Christ. Most of the people on praise teams in my area do the same thing. We gladly volunteer to serve and feel that service is a privilege. And I am sure that like me, when you see how music that you help bring to the congregation helps build an attitude of worship, witnessed by raised hands and voices, you know that it's all worthwhile.

When I came here I was hoping to find people serious about their ministry with music, and found this nonsense about Satan having victory over the Church because of P&W music instead. If that's not an attack by Satan, I don't know what is. Since he is a liar and the father of all lies, he will certainly be happy to use his own name to try and sow discord. While I can certainly understand how someone would feel bad if their favorite music was replaced with something they didn't like (I know I would), to attack like that, well, let's just say that I find it very sad indeed.

 

[jmcorn]

Wow Sam. That almost sounds like me talking there. From the equipment to the 3 practices per week. Although the practices are with 3 different bands. One is the Praise and worship band at church. One is a traveling Praise and worship band and the other one is a outreach band that travels around throwing block parties at different locations. The outreach band is doing all originals anything from hard rock to blues ( all with evangelistic messages).

However, I don't get to practice as much as I would like to due to the 5 kids running around the house. It gets crazy during soccer season with 3 of them playing and going 3 different directions. I have also tried to include them in the mobile praise and worship band.