Salvation of jews

[Aino]

What do you guys think about it? It's kind of obvious that they have a special role in God's plan, but are jews always saved the same way then gentiles? If not, how is their path to salvation different?

 

[Dom Puccio]

I'd like to think that they are still God's chosen people. They have been throughout the history of the Old Testament. If they weren't then I would have trouble seeing that God maintained His promise to them. I believe they have a place at the end of time, but I'm not sure where or what that looks like.

 

[GillDouglas]

What do you guys think about it? It's kind of obvious that they have a special role in God's plan, but are jews always saved the same way then gentiles? If not, how is their path to salvation different?

Read Romans 11

 

[Aino]

Read Romans 11

Yes, I've read it but I find its content somewhat confusing. Like, in the verses 1-24 Paul seems to claim that jews just like gentiles need to gave faith to be saved. But towards the end there are verses where he sais things like "all Israel is saved", and as good as all verses from 25 on seem to just scream that all jews are saved, so which way is it?

 

[GillDouglas]

Yes, I've read it but I find its content somewhat confusing. Like, in the verses 1-24 Paul seems to claim that Jews just like gentiles need to gave faith to be saved. But towards the end there are verses where he sais things like "all Israel is saved", and as good as all verses from 25 on seem to just scream that all Jews are saved, so which way is it?

They are to believe as we do that Christ, who is both God and man, died for their sins so that they can have communion with God once again, and live with Him eternally. Romans 11 shows how God uses the gentiles to make the Jews jealous and bring about a change of heart through His grace.

 

[Gregory the NonTheologian]

It's kind of obvious that they have a special role in God's plan

What "special role" would you say that they have?

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

My NKJV Orthodox Study Bible says the following:

Romans 11:25-27

"The mystery which explains the unbelief of so many Jews is that the Gentiles are now being united to the remnant of the faithful Jews, and thus this body of believers together form the truth Israel. (in Galatians 6:15-16, St. Paul calls those "in Christ Jesus" the "Israel of God," which is the Church.) This true Israel is not based on biological ancestry but on faithfulness to God's Deliverer, the Messiah. In this understanding, all Israel will be saved (v. 26)."

 

[Gregory the NonTheologian]

I'd like to think that they are still God's chosen people. They have been throughout the history of the Old Testament. If they weren't then I would have trouble seeing that God maintained His promise to them. I believe they have a place at the end of time, but I'm not sure where or what that looks like.

Some have interpreted Revelation 3:9 and Revelation 7:2-8 as relating to a mass conversion of Jews, but perhaps not all Jews, at the end.

 

[Steve Petersen]

What gospel did Jesus preach? He emphasized repentance, good deeds, and faith in him. Are any of these mutually exclusive?

I think that the word 'saved' may mean something different in the context of Jewish hopes and expectations as reflected in the OT than it would to a western Gentile reading the writings of the New Testament 2000 years later.

 

[Mister_Al]

In the book of ACTS, the Jewish people were saved the same way as anybody else was. I don't think that anything has changed about it since then.

Alan

 

[Job8]

What do you guys think about it? It's kind of obvious that they have a special role in God's plan, but are jews always saved the same way then gentiles? If not, how is their path to salvation different?

If you will study Paul's epistle to the Romans, you will discover that (a) Jews are no different than Gentiles when it comes to salvation by grace through faith, (b) national Israel is currently blind (spiritually) because they have rejected their Messiah, therefore each individual must be saved as in individual, and (c) after the Church has been completed, Christ will resume His direct dealings with Israel as a nation, but salvation will require repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

The Jews after the Second Coming of Christ will be gathered to Israel, and Christ will establish a redeemed and restored kingdom of Israel on earth in the future. But for the present, God makes no distinction between Jew and Gentile.

 

[Job8]

What "special role" would you say that they have?

When Christ establishes His literal and physical Kingdom on earth (after His Second Coming), then Jerusalem and Israel will indeed have a prominent role on earth. This will be both during and after the Millennium.

 

[Tayla]

What do you guys think about it? It's kind of obvious that they have a special role in God's plan, but are jews always saved the same way then gentiles? If not, how is their path to salvation different?

Everyone is saved in the same manner. Jesus reveals himself to them and they either accept or reject.

 

[bcbsr]

What do you guys think about it? It's kind of obvious that they have a special role in God's plan, but are jews always saved the same way then gentiles? If not, how is their path to salvation different?

Rom 10:1-4
Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Rom 10:12 there is no difference between Jew and Gentile

 

[EmSw]

They are to believe as we do that Christ, who is both God and man, died for their sins so that they can have communion with God once again, and live with Him eternally. Romans 11 shows how God uses the gentiles to make the Jews jealous and bring about a change of heart through His grace.

What about the Jews who lived before Jesus?

 

[Steve Petersen]

Rom 10:12 there is no difference between Jew and Gentile

This is in regard to salvation and standing before God, but Paul goes on to say that Israel's gifts and calling are irrevocable and that to THEM were given the oracles of God.

 

[EmSw]

Rom 10:1-4
Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Rom 10:12 there is no difference between Jew and Gentile

Were Gentiles saved in the OT? If so, how?

 

[Steve Petersen]

Were Gentiles saved in the OT? If so, how?

Define 'saved.'

 

[EmSw]

Define 'saved.'

Is it any different than how saved is defined today?

 

[Steve Petersen]

Is it any different than how saved is defined today?

If you mean 'going to heaven after you die' you will not find this idea in the OT, so the question 'were Gentiles saved in the OT' seems like a non-starter.